National road team announced for African Continental Championships

What an absolute joke! Can CSA please tell us what the selection criteria was for this. What about our girls that really get the results in the races.

So SA National champs started little more than a week ago, so form would be based on the most current possible event and they've selected the people who came first, second, third and seventh at SA champs in the road race. The rider finishing seventh in the road race came 2nd in the time trial a few days earlier. What other results are you referring to?

So SA National champs started little more than a week ago, so form would be based on the most current possible event and they've selected the people who came first, second, third and seventh at SA champs in the road race. The rider finishing seventh in the road race came 2nd in the time trial a few days earlier. What other results are you referring to?

So according to you they based it on one days results? Based on SA's result Ashleigh should not be even going to Europe again. But then again selection should not be based on one event only should it?

What about 94.7, The Fast One, Berge en Dale.

What about the ladies CSA spend thousands of rands on to go race in Europe and get the exposure and the actual skills. So they just toss away the time and money spend there.

So according to you they based it on one days results? Based on SA's result Ashleigh should not be even going to Europe again. But then again selection should not be based on one event only should it?

 

What about 94.7, The Fast One, Berge en Dale.

 

What about the ladies CSA spend thousands of rands on to go race in Europe and get the exposure and the actual skills. So they just toss away the time and money spend there.

The event is next week. The last event was SA champs. The riders in form for right now would be the ladies who secured results at SA champs. Not difficult to understand. Pitching up and getting a podium at SA champs is not a one hit wonder, one race affair! Even the media briefing makes it obvious that Ashleigh's team commitments have precluded her from participation, not the actual results of the SA champs to put that selection criteria to bed.

Who were you hoping to see on the team?

The event is next week. The last event was SA champs. The riders in form for right now would be the ladies who secured results at SA champs. Not difficult to understand. Pitching up and getting a podium at SA champs is not a one hit wonder, one race affair! Even the media briefing makes it obvious that Ashleigh's team commitments have precluded her from participation, not the actual results of the SA champs to put that selection criteria to bed.

 

Who were you hoping to see on the team?

I know that Ashleigh was not available for selection. I also know that SA's was not the selection criteria for this. And I also know why CSA has waited till this am to release the team (they are flying tonight).

This is exactly why in the top 10 at SA's there is only 1 girl under the age of 28. Where is the young girls in road cycling? All of them is going to MTB because of this type of politics in road cycling.

What about Heidi Dalton, Carla Oberholzer, Charlene du Preez

I know that Ashleigh was not available for selection. I also know that SA's was not the selection criteria for this. And I also know why CSA has waited till this am to release the team (they are flying tonight).

 

This is exactly why in the top 10 at SA's there is only 1 girl under the age of 28. Where is the young girls in road cycling? All of them is going to MTB because of this type of politics in road cycling.

 

What about Heidi Dalton, Carla Oberholzer, Charlene du Preez

Fully agree but CSA never surprise me. They definitely did not watch the full race at SA's if that is what the selection was about. 

Where is Carla O?

I know that Ashleigh was not available for selection. I also know that SA's was not the selection criteria for this. And I also know why CSA has waited till this am to release the team (they are flying tonight).

 

This is exactly why in the top 10 at SA's there is only 1 girl under the age of 28. Where is the young girls in road cycling? All of them is going to MTB because of this type of politics in road cycling.

 

What about Heidi Dalton, Carla Oberholzer, Charlene du Preez

I'm not against with what you say and I agree that the selection process could be more transparent.

I have two thoughts/questions...

- The age thing actually has no relevance, because if you are best you are best; but there is always the big question, should you take young inexperienced riders for them to gain experience or send experienced riders to get results? And remember, they are competing in Morocco to get an extra spot to the olympic games in Rio.

- What would your team of four look like? Current: An-Li Kachelhoffer, Lise Olivier, Anriette Schoeman, Samantha Sanders; You want Heidi Dalton, Carla Oberholzer and Charlene du Preez in the place of? I'm sure every person will choose a different four woman team. But yes, they should be more transparent, but I'm sure the woman know what the selection criteria is?

The thing is, can we really complain about that team? Looks pretty strong to me.

Read this now on FB and seems like the correct way to choose the team??
 

"Its a 4 person team and 1 of those 4 has to TT. 

They took top 3 ladies from road event. Then they took Sam who was the best TT / Road rider amongst the rest overall in results so she is beneficial to the team as a road member and member to perform in the TT"

Nobody is paying for Ashleigh to go to Europe. She is part of a pro team. As is An-Li, but Ash had commitments.

If they used other races, everyone would say but look at the SA's results. They can't win.

At least the team is the best based on last results.

Is Anriette a bit old, maybe, but why should she be denied because of age.

Nobody is paying for Ashleigh to go to Europe. She is part of a pro team. As is An-Li, but Ash had commitments.

 

If they used other races, everyone would say but look at the SA's results. They can't win.

 

At least the team is the best based on last results.

 

Is Anriette a bit old, maybe, but why should she be denied because of age.

I know that Ashleigh was not available for selection. I also know that SA's was not the selection criteria for this. And I also know why CSA has waited till this am to release the team (they are flying tonight).

 

This is exactly why in the top 10 at SA's there is only 1 girl under the age of 28. Where is the young girls in road cycling? All of them is going to MTB because of this type of politics in road cycling.

 

What about Heidi Dalton, Carla Oberholzer, Charlene du Preez

There were 2 girls u/28. Heidi and Catherine. Please know your riders in a argument.

They going to MTB cause that is a stronger series, more hi-profile races and prize money, sponsors and TV coverage. Not because of a selection criteria. Remember its the same governing body that selects riders for these type of events. 

I'm not against with what you say and I agree that the selection process could be more transparent.

 

I have two thoughts/questions...

 

- The age thing actually has no relevance, because if you are best you are best; but there is always the big question, should you take young inexperienced riders for them to gain experience or send experienced riders to get results? And remember, they are competing in Morocco to get an extra spot to the olympic games in Rio.

 

- What would your team of four look like? Current: An-Li Kachelhoffer, Lise Olivier, Anriette Schoeman, Samantha Sanders; You want Heidi Dalton, Carla Oberholzer and Charlene du Preez in the place of? I'm sure every person will choose a different four woman team. But yes, they should be more transparent, but I'm sure the woman know what the selection criteria is?

 

The thing is, can we really complain about that team? Looks pretty strong to me.

On the age thing I was refering to up and comming riders for the future. CSA wants to bring riders promote womens cycling yet where are the future stars of our sport?

Yes they are indeed and with that they are loosing points and a bucket load of it because Ashleigh won it last time round. So they need to make up for that. Now we are standing the chance of losing a spot for olimpics and that might be just the case.

No the ladies dont know the selection criteria and that is where CSA goes wrong. They were never informed as to what the selection criteria was. 

There were 2 girls u/28. Heidi and Catherine. Please know your riders in a argument.

 

They going to MTB cause that is a stronger series, more hi-profile races and prize money, sponsors and TV coverage. Not because of a selection criteria. Remember its the same governing body that selects riders for these type of events. 

Yes ok two of them. dont even going to go into that one.... So we have two future stars that needs to represent SA in the future.

Read this now on FB and seems like the correct way to choose the team??

 

"Its a 4 person team and 1 of those 4 has to TT. 

They took top 3 ladies from road event. Then they took Sam who was the best TT / Road rider amongst the rest overall in results so she is beneficial to the team as a road member and member to perform in the TT"

Please do yourself a favour and read Stuart's reply to that and maybe it will make sence as to why everyone is upset about this.

Yes ok two of them. dont even going to go into that one.... So we have two future stars that needs to represent SA in the future.

Correct, the future, not now.

So many times young or inexperienced riders go to these events in the past and when they get a solid trumping its "well they got experience" but they never get chosen the following time. 

Please do yourself a favour and read Stuart's reply to that and maybe it will make sence as to why everyone is upset about this.

I did thanks, but believe its 1 sided as it is mentioned in other replies and the process forward seems like the right one. 

Good luck with your process.

How old is Anriette?

Correct, the future, not now.

 

So many times young or inexperienced riders go to these events in the past and when they get a solid trumping its "well they got experience" but they never get chosen the following time. 

Not looking after your future riders and living in the "now" is a very bad thing and that is exactly why CSA women's cycling is where it is.

I would hardly call someone like Heidi inexperienced. She has more than enough experience.

I did thanks, but believe its 1 sided as it is mentioned in other replies and the process forward seems like the right one. 

 

Good luck with your process.

The process forward. What process is that you are referring to? How can facts be one sided?

You have your opinions and I have mine. 

I am going to have one more say on this topic.

This is not about being happy or unhappy with team selection; I wish them best of luck.

It is however about fair and unfair. About having systems and criteria in place which is made known to the riders well in advance. It is about transparency in the selection process which will hopefully restore the faith of younger riders in our sport. It is about a governing body protecting themselves but not their own.

I am stepping down from this topic now.

Sanders coming 3rd in the TT, +11 seconds to the winner.

Sanders coming 3rd in the TT, +11 seconds to the winner.

Yes, against 2 very accomplished TT riders. Not a bad result all things considered.

How old is Anriette?

38 if memory serves, would/have turned 39 this year. I went to school with her.

So they've won the team time trial, got a 3rd and 7th in individual time trial so far, with the road race to go. Decent results!

(Anyone perhaps know what result they need to ensure SA gets the extra Olympic qualification spot?)