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Sorry to hear of your dilemma. I think that there are going to be a quite a few cases of this, and I bet the 2nd hand market will come under major scrutiny as well. I would hate to think how many fake bikes are out there without people having so much as a clue.this article was inspiring and glad it got sorted
In actual fact It was motivated me and my father in law to confront the guy who sold us 2 fake bikes.
An tips on how to approach him.
He sold my father in law a pinarello, which after watching carte blanche we can confirm is a fake. And after we asked him at least 3 times he confirmed it is a original pinarello.
And he sold me a rebranded cervelo s5, also multiple times I asked is it a geniune Cervelo and it was confirmed multiple times. and my lbs confirmed its a fake.
Only dif is we didn't pay 90k, we payed just over 35k each. So you might argue we got what we payd for. But he explicitly said its the genuine thing on multiple occasions and in front f multiple witnesses, and he is planning opening his own shop in randburg, so this might happen to more people soon, so if we can stop it now, we can also prevent future people from being scamed.
Yet it's OK to jeopardize the lives of the people that are riding these fake bikes?I spoke to Robbie and here are the facts: they were all fully aware and totally informed that the pinarellos we're not genuine prior to the purchase. Despite being wealthy they wanted to save money but still have the designer label. After being humiliated in Australia and forced(?) to buy a new bike he develops a sense of indignation and self righteousness and exacts revenge by going the cowardly route and contacting carte Blanche, regardless of the fact that he is jeopardizing someone's livelihood. He only has himself to blame. No one put a gun to his head. Take responsibility!
So without the need for a flame suit, if an unbranded "chinese" bike looks like a particular original branded bike, lets say a Dogma, then is it a fake/counterfeit?
Yip, and it's terribble stuffHa ha, he's going to find out that a fake and a real Dogma is cheap when she starts putting real Italian marble on the floors, the kitchen, bathrooms and the patio! (Can you get fake Italian marble from China?)
I had the same decision to make between the same bikes, I went with the Trance as it was more bang for your buck and with upgrades came in just over 30K.
I test rode both bikes and preferred the feel of the Trance. I also prefered the 650B wheel size then the 29er. The Trance also does climb very well, and with suspension open to descend mode on the Fox it handles the downhills with ease. I feel more confident on this bike then I did my 26er Trance.
Your best bet is to take them both out for a test ride. Good Luck.
I've missed a few pages, but is Carte Blanche doing a show/ investigation about this whole debacle?
This was a rather unfortunate accident and my I feel terrible for the loss of life, but I don't think that you can blame any of the trail owners though.
Mountain biking is an extreme sport and with that comes certain risks and dangers, we all know this when we climb aboard our trusty steeds.
An accident can occur in even the most stupid of instances, I just hope that they don't set about trying to dumb down the trails because of this tragic incident.
I stand to be corrected but I think that a white memorial bike is being erected in remembrance of this rider at the bridge where the incident took place.
Gosh, not even a Giant is safe from being faked, I have this same frame 
Could there be other shops/ people possibly doing something similar?
Interesting that on that link to Ali Express, you can buy the customised fake Dogma for $627. Scroll right down to the bottom of the page.
I have a question, why would you have a brand new 40K frame resprayed? Surely that will make any warranty null & void.
Which was the real Porsche?
Phew, I bought through the agentsCaerus, I think we don't have to stress to much about our Giants..........
:D
, so I hope not, lol.
Where did you get your bike from?Good Morning Hubbers,
It's funny that this thread has popped up because last week i sent my second hand Pinarello Dogma 60.1 in to my LBS to have the gromit in the frame that the bottle cage is screwed into replaced because the previous owner made it so tight that the actual gromit popped out when i was changing the cage.
So in it went and later they rang me saying they have to send it off to Pinarello South Africa to have it done because they are scared that they would crack the frame. Understandingly i said that's fine. Yesterday i got a call from the LBS saying that Pinarello have turned the bike away saying that the serial number is not registering on their system making it a fake.
Now reading this whole thread I have come to understand more about the Grey import/ Fake situation, but being in the freight forwarding industry I already understood quite a bit.
What i wanted to ask the members is this: If a bike is a Grey import it should therefore not be on the Brands serial numbering system in that country because it was not brought through the official channel ? Or am i wrong here. All i want to know is is the Bike a grey import or a FAKE. I have had a friend look at my bike who also owns a Pinarello but a newer one and he says it's not FAKE.
Today i am going to email the chap i bought the bike from and ask politely as I know with these second hand sales deals that go on people can generally get quite itchy about queries coming back after the purchase has been made.
Any advice here will be much appreciated. All i want in the end of the day is to have this issue resolved. I am not a serious racer and if the bike is a fake then so be it i can live with it because it is still a full carbon frame etc etc and Bottom line it works perfectly for me. But if it is so does anyone know of a good Carbon repair man in JHB ( northern suburbs) that i would be able to take it to and have it done seeing as Pinarello wont help.
Apologies in advance for changing the topic somewhat but i thought it was quite fitting to this thread.
Cheers
One wonders how many fake bikes are actually out there now and how long has this actually been going on, could the Invoice 005 indicate this to be the fifth dodgy deal?They say without doubt that they were never informed. I don't know anyone who would spend R90 grand on a fake bike do you?
How would an Enduro specific mudguard look like?I will only get one as soon as they make them Enduro specific. An Endurer can't just go out Enduroing without the appropriate parts on his bike.
Apologies if this has already been posted,
Maybe the Sani2C needs to up its game a bit to come in line with what the Epic is doing?
ABSExactly the same shape. Works well (when I ride, that is)
Would probably be better to make it out of a less rigid plastic, so it doesn't crack as easily. Like the plastic that those clear jerry cans are made of. Polyprop I think... Not too well versed on the properties of different plastics anymore.
I've been thinking about cutting a whole lot on the CNC Machines at work, I can't see why I couldn't customise them as well.
The next time I go, come with myself and Covie, he knows it all like the back of his hand.when you get this right take me with you because I cant read maps and need someone to show me the corridors between the trails...
It would be a good idea, way better trails anyway 
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