Steven Knoetze (sk27) Posted September 16, 2020 Share How does anyone make any money at that price? I would say materials cost at least R1000 (primer, base, clear, sand paper, thinners etc). Then 6 to 8 hours labour. (Sanding, coating, polishing and packaging). I don't see a lot of money left over. Anyone charging R2500 is doing themselves a dis-service (and the industry as a whole). It is usually a problem when new guys/company's come in at bargain basement prices. Drag the whole industry/sector down.Typically a few weeks in they realize they are making a loss. They then have to choose to up the price or drop quality. It catches up but not before doing damage to the competitors. Dubber 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted September 16, 2020 Share How does anyone make any money at that price? I would say materials cost at least R1000 (primer, base, clear, sand paper, thinners etc). Then 6 to 8 hours labour. (Sanding, coating, polishing and packaging). I don't see a lot of money left over. Anyone charging R2500 is doing themselves a dis-service (and the industry as a whole). When doing a SINGLE colour it is very do-able. CBR Durbanville has a standard price list up at their shop. They have a TEAM of people working on these jobs. So you have lesser labour rate going away at prepping the bike, and you have a specialist doing the spray job. In fact, our job included a flag ... I thought we would get a sticker .... nope, they masked it and sprayed each colour. So this was actually a LOT more work than a "single colour", and still they did it for a VERY reasonable rate. Custom stickers, for the fork etc, was actually very cheap. And these have been their prices and business model for years. AND they answer their email, speak to clients over the phone, and is actually willing to meet with a client to discuss a project and the options. So you CAN have a very decent spray job at an affordable rate ! And YES, when you want the true artwork the price adjusts accordingly, as it should for the drastic increase in labour hours and materials. Edited September 16, 2020 by ChrisF Wayne pudding Mol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Gordo Posted September 16, 2020 Share 2 tone wrap JohanDiv, Wayne pudding Mol and ChrisF 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted September 16, 2020 Share Anybody in JHB that does what Gizmo does? Need to redo my scott bike. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with no name Posted September 17, 2020 Share Final product. Rather chuffed. Well done Anton JohanDiv, Wayne pudding Mol, Bateleur1 and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted September 17, 2020 Share Final product. Rather chuffed. Well done AntonVery nice! Man with no name 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted September 17, 2020 Share Final product. Rather chuffed. Well done Anton His work truly is ART .... and why his regular customers keep coming back. JohanDiv and Man with no name 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted September 18, 2020 Share ever sell any of these builds?I am busy with a steel string electric Ukelele currently... I will send some pictures. I'm no pro luthier but we will see how the uke turns out. Mahogany back, Maple top, Mahogany/Maple neck with a Wenge fretboard... If I can get everything cut this weekend I can start bonding and shaping next. Sell? My luthier skills are like your trail skills... Slow and uncertain but you get there eventually, even if it means a little bit of walking! TIB, Redrush, Wayne pudding Mol and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne pudding Mol Posted September 18, 2020 Share I am busy with a steel string electric Ukelele currently... I will send some pictures. I'm no pro luthier but we will see how the uke turns out. Mahogany back, Maple top, Mahogany/Maple neck with a Wenge fretboard... If I can get everything cut this weekend I can start bonding and shaping next. Sell? My luthier skills are like your trail skills... Slow and uncertain but you get there eventually, even if it means a little bit of walking!you lost me at Ukelele Jewbacca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIB Posted September 18, 2020 Share Jewbacca likes small bicycles like BMX and his preferences extends to guitars.... Jewbacca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongDonkey Posted September 18, 2020 Share you lost me at Ukelele Its a niche market custom bike made mostly from wood, gravity bike brand. Very big brand in Hawaii interestingly enough. Edited September 18, 2020 by LongDonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAD4 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Sounds Uhm... Rad?? Wayne pudding Mol and Jewbacca 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubber Posted September 18, 2020 Share When doing a SINGLE colour it is very do-able. CBR Durbanville has a standard price list up at their shop. They have a TEAM of people working on these jobs. So you have lesser labour rate going away at prepping the bike, and you have a specialist doing the spray job. In fact, our job included a flag ... I thought we would get a sticker .... nope, they masked it and sprayed each colour. So this was actually a LOT more work than a "single colour", and still they did it for a VERY reasonable rate. Custom stickers, for the fork etc, was actually very cheap. And these have been their prices and business model for years. AND they answer their email, speak to clients over the phone, and is actually willing to meet with a client to discuss a project and the options. So you CAN have a very decent spray job at an affordable rate ! And YES, when you want the true artwork the price adjusts accordingly, as it should for the drastic increase in labour hours and materials.Fair enough. Given they have multiple steams of income they can justify the extra 'low cost' labour i.e. if they are not prep'ing a bike for spraying, they are washing a bike in for service etc. That is one of the true advantages SA has (from a consumer point of view, not so much a labor point of view). 'Unskilled labour' rates are crazy low. Over here, you are paying $15 to $20 an hour for basic labour. If you are any good at your trade (regardless of industry, plumbing, sparky, chippie etc) you are at $30 an hour and up... So obviously consumer end price reflect that. That aside, a 1 man band like Bogus will never be able to compete with a small/medium business like CBR. Low labor cost aside, CBR are probably making R500 a spray job at those rates. Which they will be quite happy with to supplement their other income streams. For Bogus et al, that is not enough to pay the mortgage and put food on the table... From CBR's website: How long does it take to complete a frame respray?It takes about 10 days (50 - 100 hours). I will stick with my original assessment - low prices are out there but whoever is doing them aren't making a living out them! Certainly not if that is the primary income stream. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted September 18, 2020 Share Final product. Rather chuffed. Well done Anton Looks fast standing still. Congratz.Sponsored by Assos too. Lekka! Man with no name 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted September 18, 2020 Share Final product. Rather chuffed. Well done Anton Red bikes are always faster Man with no name 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted September 18, 2020 Share you lost me at Ukelele I'm making it look like a mini Les Paul.... To match my Custom and my Junior..... Wayne pudding Mol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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