shaper Posted June 30, 2017 Share Lance Armstrong's drug of choice, EPO, 'doesn't work', scientists claim http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/29/lance-armstrongs-drug-choice-epo-doesnt-work-scientists-claim/ So it may be with a certain queasiness that he learns today about the results of ground-breaking new research which suggests his prolonged campaign of abuse was pointless - because EPO confers no advantage at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted June 30, 2017 Share Lance Armstrong's drug of choice, EPO, 'doesn't work', scientists claim http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/29/lance-armstrongs-drug-choice-epo-doesnt-work-scientists-claim/ So it may be with a certain queasiness that he learns today about the results of ground-breaking new research which suggests his prolonged campaign of abuse was pointless - because EPO confers no advantage at all.So #givehimthe7winsback L46, Pure Savage, Geronimo and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Boab Posted June 30, 2017 Share The 'results' seem counter-intuitive, but of course that's the issue about challenging dogma, if it is indeed dogma. I wonder what peer response to the paper has been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrRichard Posted June 30, 2017 Share fantastic study - the participant must have been very excited to get free EPO and then very disappointed to know it did not make them go faster! BigDL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubehunter Posted June 30, 2017 Share So #givehimthe7winsback Nah, just for his intent he can keep getting a bollocking. In order to be a professional sportsman, you should at minimum have even an idea of sportsmanship... (No I'm not a hater, in fact I supported Lance during his cycling career...) Capricorn, Wet Ears and ScottCM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pe3nguin Posted June 30, 2017 Share I'm sure Ross Tucker will have something to say about this? Pure Savage and FCH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCH Posted June 30, 2017 Share Interesting, sure plenty of scientist will want to read the full study and pick holes in it. Obviously the edited version printed in the paper leaves out vital details; were the "doped" up riders performance compared to their own base line performance; if not, you arent really comparing the effects of epo, you are comparing 24 riders vs other 24 riders? From the article it suggest they compared the 50% with epo with the 50% without, lastly a study of 48 riders leaves very little data for statistical work. Any way, interesting to see guys testing the effects none the less. Capricorn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted June 30, 2017 Share I'm sure Ross Tucker will have something to say about this?As sure as death and taxes funding the Guptas. Gen, Pure Savage and pe3nguin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummibear Posted June 30, 2017 Share Someone should have told this kid and his parents http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/14-year-old-italian-rider-fails-drugs-test-337849 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Buttox Posted June 30, 2017 Share Given other things published in the Lancet about MMR, etc, that were later found to be total fabrications I would wait until the results are replicated. And unless it was a proper double-blind, replicated study of the individual athletes doing before and after tests up the same route, it is totally worthless. More Interestingly, the 24 who were given a 'dummy' would be far more representative of Oom Lance who regularly spat his out. Edited June 30, 2017 by Thor Buttox FCH, Fat Boab and Mamil 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIIME Posted June 30, 2017 Share In my opinion EPO really starts to kick in in the 3rd week of a grand tour. When your body is starting to fall apart and your hemoglobin levels are starting to decrease, taking EPO will surely help maintain and increase the oxygen carrying capacity of your blood. For these top racers it will most definitely have an effect. Another shortcoming of the test may well be the challenge these subjects were subjected to. Their bodies (muscle, type of muscle and psyche) will falter long before their oxygen carrying capacity of their blood manifests as a measurable advantage. Still an interesting finding/conclusion Mamil and BigDL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted June 30, 2017 Share 10000 x Studies Conclude X1 x Study Disputes X TheBikeHub: X is not true!!!! Barend de Arend, Mamil, Gen and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCH Posted June 30, 2017 Share no that is just science, any hypothesis is regarded as viable until proven wrong. Then you have to restate and retest the new hypothesis. 10000 x Studies Conclude X1 x Study Disputes XTheBikeHub: X is not true!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oufy MTB (Roadie) Posted June 30, 2017 Share I don't want to hear hub opionions, the only opinion i want to hear is Betsy's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zub Posted June 30, 2017 Share Interesting, sure plenty of scientist will want to read the full study and pick holes in it. Obviously the edited version printed in the paper leaves out vital details; were the "doped" up riders performance compared to their own base line performance; if not, you arent really comparing the effects of epo, you are comparing 24 riders vs other 24 riders? From the article it suggest they compared the 50% with epo with the 50% without, lastly a study of 48 riders leaves very little data for statistical work. Any way, interesting to see guys testing the effects none the less. +1. And what about the effect on overall fatigue levels over 21 days of racing as well. I mean even "IF" there was no "improved performance gain", the impact on fatigue levels over a period of time can also be construed as a significant advantage... FCH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjind Posted June 30, 2017 Share I'm definitely no scientist, but isn't EPO more a recovery drug, rather than a performance enhancer? In a three week tour you will surely benefit from enhanced recovery. 'Dale and Stevo9119 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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