Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted November 20, 2018 Share They'll be leaps and bounds better than the cheapies. Arries87 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky and the Warden Posted November 20, 2018 Share Not going to start a new thread, so wil carry on with this one. Does anyone know where I can source composite flats locally that actually have stock? I live in the Pretoria East area, but I am struggling my butt off to get (any flats). Not too keen on going the importing route, but will if I really have to http://trailtechcycles.co.za/product/composite-pedal-oneup-components/ BaltazarMarques 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adr!@n Posted November 21, 2018 Share Those One Up pedals are ridiculously grippy. If you in Joburg, Sprocket & Jack have some in stock. Arries87 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12man Posted November 21, 2018 Share Thanx for the reply, I saw the Kore post. I am just a bit worried about the convex shape? I currently have concave cheapy flats. Worked great for about 200km and then it predictably imploded. Really liked the concave shape. However, I am a noob when it comes to cycling, so keen on getting experienced opinions.I want to see you ride 200km on flats in 1 day..... don't worry about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaltazarMarques Posted November 21, 2018 Share +1 for the OneUp composites - Awesome pedals Also the RF Chester composites are another great option. Arries87 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arries87 Posted November 27, 2018 Share I want to see you ride 200km on flats in 1 day..... don't worry about it...Might need to clarify that I did 200km total on them, I would be face down in a field somewhere at 50km if I even attempted such an "abusrb" amount! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12man Posted November 27, 2018 Share Might need to clarify that I did 200km total on them, I would be face down in a field somewhere at 50km if I even attempted such an "abusrb" amount! Well... you might be under that field.... after 200km on flats They are definitely less efficient than cleats - that said - they have their uses as well - especially in making mince meat out of lower limbs..... and knees... and and... The only benefit to them is that it's easier to take a foot off sometimes - and they teach you to manage the bike better in the air than cleats - kick it away and it's gone.... (with cleats you can just pull it back).... mostly anyway - unless you are in the super skills leagues. Cleats also have downsides... sometimes you really DO want to get rid of the bike... in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenty Posted November 27, 2018 Share Well... you might be under that field.... after 200km on flats They are definitely less efficient than cleats - that said - they have their uses as well - especially in making mince meat out of lower limbs..... and knees... and and... The only benefit to them is that it's easier to take a foot off sometimes - and they teach you to manage the bike better in the air than cleats - kick it away and it's gone.... (with cleats you can just pull it back).... mostly anyway - unless you are in the super skills leagues. Cleats also have downsides... sometimes you really DO want to get rid of the bike... in a hurry.I did 160k on flats..ok ok ok 40 short of 200...I now have a "brand new" second hand HUGELY upgraded from my el cheapo Axis and I STILL prefer my flats...spose different strokes for different folks... WaynejG and Sidersky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithbe Posted November 27, 2018 Share I only ride with flats. According to the cleaters I should come last in every event as a result of flats being less efficient than being clipped in. Yet to happen. I regularly get the pedal efficiency lecture and pedal ahead to make my point. The 947 road event - flats, camelbak and baggies. Broke all the rules and didn't finish last there either :) I did 160k on flats..ok ok ok 40 short of 200...I now have a "brand new" second hand HUGELY upgraded from my el cheapo Axis and I STILL prefer my flats...spose different strokes for different folks... Edited November 27, 2018 by keithbe Sidersky, Eddy Gordo, Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidersky Posted November 27, 2018 Share I only ride with flats. According to the cleaters I should come last in every event as a result of flats being less efficient than being clipped in. Yet to happen. I regularly get the pedal efficiency lecture and pedal ahead to make my point. The 947 road event - flats, camelbak and baggies. Broke all the rules and didn't finish last there either :) I could almost have written this post word for word... Flats, Camelbak, my baggie shorts... I even still have tubes. (Die skande!) Closing in on 12000km riding like that. And every single ride, I have to go through the "You're on flat pedals??? Do you know how much power you're losing???!!!" speech. So I will try, again, to move to cleats this December... Who knows. Maybe it sticks this time but I just know that when I'm riding with my flats, I'm happy and love riding my bike. Edit to add, not all of this is sheer stubborness or lack of knowledge, some of it is simple budget limitations too. Edited November 27, 2018 by Sidersky keithbe, WaynejG and Kenty 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenty Posted November 28, 2018 Share I only ride with flats. According to the cleaters I should come last in every event as a result of flats being less efficient than being clipped in. Yet to happen. I regularly get the pedal efficiency lecture and pedal ahead to make my point. The 947 road event - flats, camelbak and baggies. Broke all the rules and didn't finish last there either :) Hear hear...thanks for that....last weekend ...comeing off of one of our trails here and the exit is a fairly steep hill coming out the back of a local nusery and coming down this section was a laaitie and I assume his ole man about to start their ride and the laaitie loses it as he comes off of the tar onto the gravel road ...well..he fell hard and somersaulted with his bike still attached to his feet....cleats mmmmm...no thanks ..not for this amateur...hehe Arries87 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V18 Posted November 28, 2018 Share I'm bi-curious so I ride flats and cleats from time to time. Flats are certainly more fun when the theme is gravity riding and you are likely to take some risks. I can get my foot out quick enough to save most front washouts but it's not about that. It's like v12 said. Getting rid of your bike in a hurry. Ie a botched takeoff or semi dead sailor mid air. Throw the bike. Drop and roll. Not easy with cleats. I have video evidence showing thermophage avoiding many a serious scorpion due to not being cleated in and being able to do the gynae stirrup dismount over the bars.As for efficiency. When pedaling up something smooth and chilled like fire roads, I prefer flats. Same pace. Same power. More micro adjustments of my foot to prevent knee/foot hotspots. When climbing really techy stuff it does help being able to pull your rear wheel over something or not blowing off the pedal when you suddenly hit a staller.Foot security is a big thing for newbs. Loosing footing on dmr vaults can cost you some skin/periosteum. But if you ride as much as possible on flats, not only does it become a once in a bluemoon event... You also learn how to activate your bike's full squish mode. Ie heels down in the rough/corners and proper jump technique. Absolutely nothing worse than watching cleat taught guys hit kickers. Gives me the heebiegeebies. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, Jewbacca, NickGM and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted November 28, 2018 Share V18 has smashed this out the park On the MTB, fun rides, up skills, jumps etc flats are where it's at. On the road? yeah nah MDJ, Kenty and Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12man Posted November 28, 2018 Share I did 160k on flats..ok ok ok 40 short of 200...I now have a "brand new" second hand HUGELY upgraded from my el cheapo Axis and I STILL prefer my flats...spose different strokes for different folks...That comment wasn't for you really - I said it to the OP who is an absolute newby to riding mostly and even with cleats would struggle with 200. And I do ride flats on a couple of bikes - just not my XC bikes - horses for courses here is important. This is my normal thinking on the subject. Someone just learning to ride a bike - Flats till they have some skills (skills as opposed to fitness) - and not full on high end long pin flats either....Intermediate skilled rider starting to ride XC and race - cleatsIntermediate skills Enduro riding - Flats (enduro is not for low skilled riders)Skilled rider Enduro riding - CleatsIntermediate skills DH riding - Flats (DH is not for low or even some intermediate skilled riders)Skilled rider DH riding - Cleats for top level racing - or flats (but very few Pro's actually ride flats) Jump bikes - Flats BMX riding - check the rules for younger and less skilled riders - they mandate flats for some categories now - which is contentious and pretty new regarding implementation dates of which I am not sure. V18 and Kenty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arries87 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Those One Up pedals are ridiculously grippy. If you in Joburg, Sprocket & Jack have some in stock. Thank you Adr!@n! I was struggling my @ss off to get them, all of the places I phoned or online where sold out, but S@J had one set left. Paid today, hopefully getting it delivered before the weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickGM Posted November 28, 2018 Share I'm bi-curious so I ride flats and cleats from time to time. Flats are certainly more fun when the theme is gravity riding and you are likely to take some risks. I can get my foot out quick enough to save most front washouts but it's not about that. It's like v12 said. Getting rid of your bike in a hurry. Ie a botched takeoff or semi dead sailor mid air. Throw the bike. Drop and roll. Not easy with cleats. I have video evidence showing thermophage avoiding many a serious scorpion due to not being cleated in and being able to do the gynae stirrup dismount over the bars.As for efficiency. When pedaling up something smooth and chilled like fire roads, I prefer flats. Same pace. Same power. More micro adjustments of my foot to prevent knee/foot hotspots.When climbing really techy stuff it does help being able to pull your rear wheel over something or not blowing off the pedal when you suddenly hit a staller.Foot security is a big thing for newbs. Loosing footing on dmr vaults can cost you some skin/periosteum. But if you ride as much as possible on flats, not only does it become a once in a bluemoon event... You also learn how to activate your bike's full squish mode. Ie heels down in the rough/corners and proper jump technique. Absolutely nothing worse than watching cleat taught guys hit kickers. Gives me the heebiegeebies. You had me at "gynae stirrup dismount" Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, V18, Arries87 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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