DieselnDust Posted July 16, 2021 Share 4 hours ago, Jewbacca said: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/cycling-moves-down-sports-doping-list-three-places-to-8th-with-18-recorded-cases-in-2020-489189 So 3 world tour cyclists bust in 2020, the lowest in 15 years, 8 World Tour riders in 2019..... There were also WAY less tests conducted. Then there's this https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/sports/cycling/cycling-freeman-team-sky-doping.html So no, things are very much still happening and the 'change in attitude' won't happen unless there are a number of years between guilty parties and adverse findings. If there are multiple naughty people caught every single year, there can be no shift away from the perception. There will always be naughty people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted July 16, 2021 Share 1 hour ago, DieselnDust said: There will always be naughty people. So in the same breath I must have a mental shift and believe that the peleton is clean despite 'unbelievable' performances but also accept that there will always be naughty people? By accepting 'there will always be naughty people' doesn't that completely put a stop to any mental shift that says when there is smoke there isn't fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted July 16, 2021 Share To be fair the peleton has cleaned up a lot since the EPO, HGH and Testosterone days. Hell some cyclists got lunch bags with all 3 at the end of tough stages. It may not be squeaky clean but it is way cleaner than the 90s! DieselnDust and J Wakefield 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 16, 2021 Share 1 hour ago, Jewbacca said: So in the same breath I must have a mental shift and believe that the peleton is clean despite 'unbelievable' performances but also accept that there will always be naughty people? By accepting 'there will always be naughty people' doesn't that completely put a stop to any mental shift that says when there is smoke there isn't fire? Key points: Healthy scepticism is accepting that there is a high level of confidence in the measures in place. not everyone is bad/cheating Not every athlete that wins is a cheat Not every person that is accused is guilty And yes there will always be a cheat but they're probably in the minority rather than the majority. I'm under no delusion than the any sport is 100% clean. Life is not as clear as bookends. Patchelicious and Wannabe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 16, 2021 Share 3 hours ago, Frosty said: contrasted by this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Wakefield Posted July 17, 2021 Share 6 hours ago, DieselnDust said: contrasted by this: Standard from Cav and not the 1st time. When you know how hard staff work - especially soigneurs and mechanics at a race; never mind the Tour, you do not speak to or treat them like this and not in public. Edited July 17, 2021 by J Wakefield Frosty, DieselnDust and Long Wheel Base 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubed Posted July 17, 2021 Share Cav = Jekyll and Hyde personality. Loves to play up for the cameras and knows how to self promote when the going is good. When the going gets tough for him personally he cant hide his nature and the prat comes out. Multiple winner, but a true champion is judged by when the times are tough and the cameras are not looking. Or how you exit a team that gave you a fair shake, but you didnt deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worriesnot Posted July 17, 2021 Share 8 hours ago, DieselnDust said: contrasted by this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJR Posted July 17, 2021 Share 12 hours ago, DieselnDust said: There will always be naughty people. I wonder what the 2 bad-ass Badminton players doped with!???? DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosmonooit Posted July 17, 2021 Share Unacceptable.,I think he should be booted out the race, or pulled by team, - like other bad boys have been ejected (Moscon, Boohani et al) Eldron and Jewbacca 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetplant Posted July 17, 2021 Share Enjoy the TT day everyone. Tadej and WvA the obvious one's to watch for the Win. Some shuffling expected in the final Top 10 on GC. Chris_, DieselnDust and TheoG 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoG Posted July 17, 2021 Share 32 minutes ago, Vetplant said: Enjoy the TT day everyone. Tadej and WvA the obvious one's to watch for the Win. Some shuffling expected in the final Top 10 on GC. Go Wout ! ???? Vetplant and Underachiever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted July 17, 2021 Share 3 hours ago, kosmonooit said: Unacceptable.,I think he should be booted out the race, or pulled by team, - like other bad boys have been ejected (Moscon, Boohani et al) Am sure you have never complained about your LBS for shoddy work on your bike? Or that you are at the back end of a 3 week tour one of the hardest, where you are mentally and physically tired with emotions running high! You are just perfect in all respects and never loose your cool..... Whilst it is unacceptable and has been apologized for it is not even in the same league as throwing a punch or head butting whilst cycling at speed in a peleton. Edited July 17, 2021 by shaper Vetplant, TheoG and Sid the Sloth 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted July 17, 2021 Share 3 hours ago, kosmonooit said: Unacceptable.,I think he should be booted out the race, or pulled by team, - like other bad boys have been ejected (Moscon, Boohani et al) His little tanty is really being blown out of proportion https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mark-cavendish-explains-his-angry-tour-de-france-outburst-directed-at-a-mechanic/ Even with click bait type of pics to lure you in dsw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted July 17, 2021 Share Quite a negative tone on the cyclingnews front page Between Cav's tantrum, silly journalist questions, Mohoric's victory salute comments and the hotel raid, there's this nonsense: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tadej-pogacar-says-there-is-nothing-illegal-about-his-bike-at-tour-de-france/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_ Posted July 17, 2021 Share It's like a spread out team time trial for DQS right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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