FreeSoul Posted February 3, 2021 Share Look, the seller is dodgy, but i dont think you're squeaky clean in this either. Normally, you receive something that doesn't work as intended, you contact the seller and ask how he would like to proceed. This gives him the option to take it back and have a look himself, or send you to his trusted mech to take a look. You recieved the bike, found a fault, and took it to your own expert, who could have easily done more damage or created detrimental damage to a part that could have had a very small issue instead. You buy a car from a dealer, and if something goes wrong in those first 6 months, they handle the complaint, not your buddy down the road... The friend is there for advice, not for a botched repair... Again, both parties suck here, but i think you should have gone about all of this totally differently. It wasn't a "friend" that looked at the RD, it was a very reputable bike shop here in JHB that specializes in bike services only. Also, the guy who I bought the bike from is in CT and I am in JHB. My first reaction to receiving the news of the busted RD was to send it back and get a refund. He refused. Also, you forgetting a few things.1- Front RD craked and not disclosed2- Lied about the length of the crank This makes the seller's word a little dodgy at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryllk Posted February 3, 2021 Share Sheesh, you being the OP coming across very defensive after been given advice from fellow hubbers! This is your own fault as you leaving the rest of us in this guessing game without actual pics to back up anything. Worst of all, by not outing the seller already we take it that you two are best of chums then What you mean why he opened the RD? He was trying to figure out why it wasn't working and where the noise was coming from??? How else was he supposed to triage the issue? Thats their job! gummibear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edereese Posted February 3, 2021 Share The mech opened the housing of the RD and showed me the damaged of the internal workings. Its nothing to do with shift modes etc. I have done this many times on my other bike. Why did he open it? And what exactly of the "internal workings" was damaged?Also, is he certified to open Shimano Di2 components? Edited February 3, 2021 by Edereese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas_187 Posted February 3, 2021 Share The OP did nothing wrong and should have been refunded in full. Arrie, Sid the Sloth, Mike Mac and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummibear Posted February 3, 2021 Share Still don’t know how people can forkOut this type of cash on a bike without viewing it and testing it? Cappi, AdamA, Vetplant and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterbean Posted February 3, 2021 Share Still don’t know how people can forkOut this type of cash on a bike without viewing it and testing it?Yeah, this is the part that gets me the most... Hub ratings are great and all, but if im about to drop 60k, I'll spend another 2% of that on getting it looked at and vetted by an independent shop... Hope you get sorted out to your satisfaction OP, but i dont know if that exists, really.. AdamA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted February 3, 2021 Share Wow, all this unnecessary attacking.Why is this so complicated?A deal was done a with a "reputable" dealer on a trusted forum. People are now cross questioning the buyer about his due diligence on the item. Yes - a lot of money was handed over - but really, was he supposed to check the crank arm length as well? He stated that this was stipulated as a requirement upfront? Why is all of this now his problem and put down to school fees? Name the seller, BikeHub should also prevent him from trading here going forward as well. Trial by BikeHub means that all parties are burned at the stake#victimblaming AdamA, Rock Guy, Wannabe and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamA Posted February 3, 2021 Share I'm not sure if you're trying to be serious or not? If you sell something cheaply then you can lie about it? Would you check the crank length on a bike the second it arrives? Cracked handle bar? The OP needs to name and shame the person as publicly as possible - the damage to their reputation hopefully does much more damage than fixing the faults would have. If you can afford the legal route then do that just for fun - it will bankrupt the seller very quickly and make him regret his "speak to my lawyer" nonsense. If you sell something cheaply then you can lie about it? No, I'm not saying its okay to lie, I'm saying "if its to good to be true it probably isn't' Would you check the crank length on a bike the second it arrives? Yes, if had specified I wanted a 19" frame, with 10 Speed XT gears and 780mm handle bars and 175mm crank, and Tubeless Tyres, I would check each of those individually. I wouldn't necessarily check the following:if the chain was Shimano, SRAM or KMCthe cassette was Shimano, SRAM or Sunraceif the shifter cables were Shimano or Jagwire ( not that i could tell the difference anyway) Cracked handle bar? That was a cheap-shot at the OP for putting his R60K carbon bike together without a Torque wench - I apologize, it was unnecessary. I don't think the Lawyers route is the best way, but if you can afford it then yes go have some fun. But the Lawyers on either side will will be asking the questions similar to what i have been asking? Edited February 3, 2021 by AdamA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted February 3, 2021 Share Wow, lawyering up. Its probably not going to see in more cash from the guy and would rather spend the lawyer money on coffee Sid the Sloth and AdamA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamA Posted February 3, 2021 Share It wasn't a "friend" that looked at the RD, it was a very reputable bike shop here in JHB that specializes in bike services only. Also, the guy who I bought the bike from is in CT and I am in JHB. My first reaction to receiving the news of the busted RD was to send it back and get a refund. He refused. Also, you forgetting a few things.1- Front RD craked and not disclosed2- Lied about the length of the crank This makes the seller's word a little dodgy at best. 1- The cracked FD was disclosed in WhatsApp photos prior to sale, and the Seller was not aware of this but is still willing to replace like for like (2nd Hand) - this makes the seller reasonable, not dodgy. According to you the RD was working 100% on Wednesday 13 Jan. 2- How did the seller confirm the crank length?BikeHub Advert Details = False advertisingPhoto on WhatsApp = Fraud (using misleading photos)Telephone conversation = hearsay / your word vs his wordWhatsApp Message -"Yes, I think crank is 172.5mm" - would not be a lie"Yes crank is 172.5mm" - maybe a lie or a mistake"Yes crank is 172.5mm, I just checked" would be a Lie"Yes crank definitely is 172.5mm" would be a LieYou are not giving us the full picture and omitting important details. Edited February 3, 2021 by AdamA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylark Posted February 3, 2021 Share Is AdamA the sellers best buddy? Rock Guy and Dusty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted February 4, 2021 Share Seller has refused to budge. As it stands: He refuses to give me a compensation for either the RD or the FD even though I sent the original RD back. The agreement as per WhattsApp was that he would pay me as soon as the RD arrived. He has since changed his mind. He will only give me money for the Crank once he receives the current one back (sound familiar?) This means I have to again take it to my LBS to get someone to remove the crank so it can be sent. I them have to hope he pays me so I can find a replacement then take it back to the LBS for for fitting. I am done with his crap. Below are his details: Name: Rikus Smit - Based in Durbanville Western Cape. Profile Link: https://bikehub.co.z.../profile/140968 FB: https://www.facebook.com/rikus.smit.3 Some Images: https://ibb.co/YtghgZ4 https://ibb.co/V3cCsps https://ibb.co/kqv8gr6 Edited February 4, 2021 by FreeSoul gummibear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oepsie94 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Dear hubbers, please don't assume that my silence equals guilt or misconduct. I will soon revert with the full version. I will go through all Luke's messages and compile my responses, I will back up my answers with proof. AdamA, Pure Savage, Rudii and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted February 4, 2021 Share Dear hubbers, please don't assume that my silence equals guilt or misconduct. I will soon revert with the full version. I will go through all Luke's messages and compile my responses, I will back up my answers with proof. Cool - Just post the full WhattsApp convo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamA Posted February 4, 2021 Share Is AdamA the sellers best buddy? Nope, I don't even know they guy, I thought it was someone else with 18 x 5Star reviews (who i din't know either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamA Posted February 4, 2021 Share Dear hubbers, please don't assume that my silence equals guilt or misconduct. I will soon revert with the full version. I will go through all Luke's messages and compile my responses, I will back up my answers with proof. Welcome to the conversation Rikus, some proof would be great. Up until now we've been dealing with a one-sided story with no proof and a lot of missing details. Oepsie94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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