philippe484 Posted February 2, 2021 Share I've worked in the high end cycling industry as a technician for more than 25years so the opinion I'm about to enumerate is deeply held and backed up with lots of personal history and pain.It's understood that opinions will differ but if you have one on bicycle frame material, I'd expect that you've done your homework.. I have and I'm very definitely a steel man.It needs to be recognised that there are a very wide range of steel qualities used in frame construction, starting with high tensile tubing and going all the way to titanium.Not many shops offer their clients anything like decent steel framed bicycles and very few make after market frames available .. there are good reasons for that but I'm one of those guys who just hates new ****. My bikes last, steel bikes last !There isn't a single bike I've ridden (and I've worked in Dubai, on the most expensive bicycles in the world) that I would take over my old single speeded chromoly Kona .. which is why bike builders use STEEL.Maybe some of the people reading this recognise the bike, I've had it up for sale on this site before but no one was prepared to pay my price so I kept the bike .. happily, because I believe in intrinsic value and this bike like my Bridgestone has intrinsic value. It will also outlast pretty much any overpriced latest, greatest bike out there. ChUkKy and DieselnDust 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterbean Posted February 2, 2021 Share Im glad you got that off your chest. Pure Savage, AdamA, M L and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grease_Monkey Posted February 2, 2021 Share Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted February 2, 2021 Share Bravo, in young modulus and moment of inertia I trust Dexter-morgan and Jan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaratza Posted February 2, 2021 Share Intrinsic value is a bit of a misnomer; value is a matter of perspective (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) and by extension is a product of what the market is willing to pay (the ultimate beholders). The market can be expanded through better marketing or looking further afield, but ultimately it comes down to what someone is willing to pay for the item. If you're willing to pay more than anyone else for the item then it makes sense you should keep it. Vetplant, philippe484 and Zawillow 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmoun10goat Posted February 3, 2021 Share I forgot to bring my carbon framed bike indoors the one night when it was raining, it has since corroded, and I can see cracks forming on the welds. The only thing you enumerated through were you emotions, most notably a love for steel bikes, bitterness toward the masses for not buying your steel bike and again you love for steel bikes. aquaratza, Popit, AdamA and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORNE Posted February 3, 2021 Share I forgot to bring my carbon framed bike indoors the one night when it was raining, it has since corroded, and I can see cracks forming on the welds. The only thing you enumerated through were you emotions, most notably a love for steel bikes, bitterness toward the masses for not buying your steel bike and again you love for steel bikes.You obviously dont value your plastic bike either since you forgot it outside in the weather one night. Never mind the frame, your groupset and bearings are now all rusted and cracked at the joints. You are going to hell for that regardless. /comic sans/ To be fair, good modern steel frames are all protected against corrosion...even internally. Silly thread. Like what you like. I like my bicycles like I like my music - metal as f4ck. That doesn't mean i don't like carbon bikes though, i can appreciate some justin bieber every now and then too ☺️???? Edited February 3, 2021 by morneS555 porqui, DJuice, Vetplant and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phenning Posted February 3, 2021 Share Ive had the same with two Cotics ive had on the Hub for more than two years. In the one case every now and then i get a message saying im asking way to much and i just refer them to Cotics site to go buy a new one ( whitch cost a lot more) In the other case i have declined to sell my BFe on several occasion since the buyers obviously did not understand why the bike is special. Ive now decided to strip my solaris max and build up the flare max thats "to expensive" and ride that again but wondering whehter its worth punting the Solaris max up for sale Edited February 3, 2021 by phenning CJ Van and philippe484 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetplant Posted February 3, 2021 Share SNIPIt's understood that opinions will differ but if you have one on bicycle frame material, I'd expect that you've done your homework.. I have and I'm very definitely a steel man.It needs to be recognised that there are a very wide range of steel qualities used in frame construction, starting with high tensile tubing and going all the way to titanium.SNIPSorry to be critical here, but I fear a kid will read this and be confused for life Titanium is not a type of Steel, it falls in its own group of metals. I think what you meant to say was something along the lines of: "There are a wide range of Metals used in frame construction, starting with Aluminium progressing through Steel and finally reaching the superior option in all the universe... Titanium" Yes, I'll donate my left $%^&@%&* for a properly constructed Titanium bike. PS. Sorry nobody valued your bike as much as you did, it is best that you kept it instead of taking it to a pawn shop for next-to-nothing. ChrisF, AdamA, philippe484 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaGearA Posted February 3, 2021 Share Ive had the same with two Cotics ive had on the Hub for more than two years. In the one case every now and then i get a mesagay saying im asking way to mutch and i just refer them to Cotics site to go buy a new one ( whitch cost a lot more) In the other case i have declined to sell my BFe on several ocation sinde teh buyers obviousy did not unerstand why the bike is special. Ive now decided to strip my solaris max and build up the flare max thats "to expensive" and ride that agian but wondering wehter its worth puting the Solaris max up for sale I came very close to taking you up on the flare at the end of 2019, life just happened and it didn't work out that way. I thi k you were perfectly reasonable with your prices Eddy Gordo and phenning 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 3, 2021 Share I MORNE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted February 3, 2021 Share Welded carbon,... That's got to be special. Even rusted it should be worth a bazillion in research alone aquaratza and MORNE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne pudding Mol Posted February 3, 2021 Share If only we could sell our stuff for what we think it’s worth Fair value is irrelevant - things are worth what someone else will pay - if that falls below expectations tough What a dumb thread why am I commenting ? I yes I’m avoiding work where I also feel undervalued Edited February 3, 2021 by Wayne pudding Mol aquaratza, The Ouzo, AdamA and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie NL Posted February 3, 2021 Share The sort of post one makes when bored and decide to bait the water a little to get the fight going .....sometimes the contenders are not lus to go after each other though. Gotta pick something which speak more to tribal instincts like "Pyga is way better that Spez " DieselnDust and Wayne pudding Mol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipV Posted February 3, 2021 Share Ive now decided to strip my solaris max and build up the flare max thats "to expensive" and ride that again but wondering whehter its worth punting the Solaris max up for saleIf I had the money to build it I would be all over that Solaris frame. Soos 'n vetseun op 'n cupcake. phenning and Vetplant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted February 3, 2021 Share The issue is that if others are selling the same whole bike for 1/10th of what you are asking for just the frame, then its not going to sell. Cannot really get cross at people for not paying what you think a part is worth. hansolo, philippe484, Marsh00 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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