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37 minutes ago, Shebeen said:

I don't think the athletes actually need pay for the kit themselves. They get kit, but it doesn't fit or is late, or both. The reason why they pay for their own kit is because they go direct to the manufacturer and order what they know they need because from past history CSA will stuff it up. I could be totally wrong about this, but it's not rocket science. All these cyclists have done everything on their own, all CSA needs to do is support them and not hinder them once on the big stage.  

This is probably a topic for it's own thread. There is history behind this happening at ,mtb worlds they had to share kit between u23 and elites. stefan dB was able to tweet about it because it is not isolated.

kit sizing is a real problem, especially when you get down to the level of the aero suits they're wearing for TT. Some of the suits are literally laser cut from a model of the athletes body. Super expensive and not your run of the mill speed suit off the shelf. I do my nut in with size curves. recently bought a new team replica kit. Size chart says S bib and S jersey should be the same as my Assos Small kit. Great order. arrival, fit WTF, bib is S and snug but not high pitched snug. It'll stretch. Top is longer than medium top from another brand and has the the volume of a large!!! 🤔

I'm all for the athletes being given a design template and go get the kit made by your regular vendor. But if the contracts state that the sponsor will provide then you're in a for a bit of a game of darts. Doesn't matter if CSA is involved. For Example, every year I  provide my kit size to my DC team and what I get either fits well or it doesn't, mostly not. The size chart doesn't change but the fit does. But hey... beggars can't be chosers (commonly used term and in no way infers that beggars should be viewed as not deserving of respect) so I wear it till it falls apart or donate after. Since it was paid for I wear it for a year then move it along.

Our federation does need to up its game but as I've said several times, there's a new captain and we have to give the person and the new admin team (note my no gender identification assumption) the opportunity to deliver. The timing under which they have taken up the task is not enviable so I'd rather slap em on the back,....oh wait sorry I cant do that as they may trip and fall and I'd be virtually responsible....applaud the work done thus far and look forward to the continued improvement that will be implemented to facilitate organisational performance goals

 

* Disclaimer: this post is my own view and does not reflect the views of the manufacturer of my laptop, my internet service provider, CoCT who so capitalistically provide the energy to power this post and is not intended to diminish the feelings of anyone who may disagree. No manufacturers were harmed in the compilation of this post. This post does reflect a willingness to give CSA a chance to turn the ship around and be respected representative body of cycling in SA.

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I dont know if this was mentioned but can we just recognize AMP achievement in the TT for a second

She finished 8th and the only one to finish ahead of her who is not a known TT specialist (as far as I am aware) was Grace Brown.

AMP has had an amazing season so far

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2 minutes ago, YaseenEnos said:

I dont know if this was mentioned but can we just recognize AMP achievement in the TT for a second

She finished 8th and the only one to finish ahead of her who is not a known TT specialist (as far as I am aware) was Grace Brown.

AMP has had an amazing season so far

go check Ashleigh's insta post last night. warmed the cockles arteries of my heart

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3 minutes ago, kosmonooit said:

If any Olympian mtb'er needs a hug its really Ondrej Cink, really was on his way to Bronze when he flatted in  big way and had to walk a long way back to the tech zone,  DNF.

Yes shame, he was very upset at the time.

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1 hour ago, Sid the Sloth said:

It takes so little effort to be nice instead of using words people don't like or find triggering. In fact admin even put in the effort to make sure you have to make zero effort. Thanks guys. Anyway, make sure you don't join the queue to give MVDP a hug as it is probably longer if all these comments have nothing to do with gender.

I 1000% agree, and like I said earlier, since reading that post referenced by Shebeen, I've have made sure not to say Spez anymore. The guy who brought it up explained his situation, which I understood and respected, and immediately changed my words. I have no way of knowing if the other guys did the same as their words would just have been changed if they said the wrong thing. On the issue of "should you intentionally say things to offend people", I think it's clear the world is a better place if we don't do that. (Who gets to decide what's offensive is a whole other can of worms)

A completely separate issue is automatically changing someone's words without telling them. I think that's egregious. Warning points, requests to not say offensive or derogatory things, banning people, even deleting intentionally offensive posts, etc, that all makes some sense. Actually changing what is said is something completely different. This might not even by the only thing thats auto-changed, and we just haven't noticed yet.  
 

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On the mental wellbeing topic:

I attended a talk hosted by three elite sportsmen. Can't remember exactly who was there but Ryk Neetling was one. 

He shared an interesting fact that out of all the olympians, the one's who had the worst of the depression and suicide was actually those who won Gold. 

You get so much attention and adoration for your achievement, all those years of sacrifice finally placed you at the top, but fairly quickly it all goes quite, deafeningly so. 

They have nothing else to work for, they reached the ultimate goal. And now the attention is gone. 

Some of them are then simply unable to process this to then just build a new goal to chase. 

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5 hours ago, Shell Belle said:


There was nothing innocent about that comment, or the others that followed.  The extent to which the sexualisation of female athletes has become normalized is really quite astounding.  The mere fact that you think that you can “queue* to hug a pretty lady” and consider it an innocent comment shows just how normalized it has become. 
 

That whole “discussion” was off-base and deserved to be deleted. 

Thanks, well said. Those comments made me feel properly creeped out. How do the fathers here feel if a group of men were talking about "queuing up to hug their daughter"?

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41 minutes ago, Vetplant said:

On the mental wellbeing topic:

I attended a talk hosted by three elite sportsmen. Can't remember exactly who was there but Ryk Neetling was one. 

He shared an interesting fact that out of all the olympians, the one's who had the worst of the depression and suicide was actually those who won Gold. 

You get so much attention and adoration for your achievement, all those years of sacrifice finally placed you at the top, but fairly quickly it all goes quite, deafeningly so. 

They have nothing else to work for, they reached the ultimate goal. And now the attention is gone. 

Some of them are then simply unable to process this to then just build a new goal to chase. 

To add to this, I have many many friends across different sporting codes who are at the highest level, some retired SA sport legends, Having had many many convos with them, one of the biggest things is that every little step they take they are being watched and every decision they make gets scrutinized as there will always be those who support you aswell as those who are just out to be nasty and nitpick, and yes with the game comes the responsibility etc, but even after retiring they're still watched with everything they do, So often they may feel they aren't able to actually just live a full life!! 

 

I saw a comment on a post earlier by a sports scientist who hit the nail on the head in very few words, he said "The surprise is it that it was said, not that it happened", and this is so true. It's not a surprise to so many that people are suffering from mental issues, it's more a surprise that it's now being put out there more often than we have been used to in the past!!

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8 hours ago, Shell Belle said:


There was nothing innocent about that comment, or the others that followed.  The extent to which the sexualisation of female athletes has become normalized is really quite astounding.  The mere fact that you think that you can “queue* to hug a pretty lady” and consider it an innocent comment shows just how normalized it has become. 
 

That whole “discussion” was off-base and deserved to be deleted. 

Thank you.

Whether lecturing at varsities or facilitating corporate training, for MANY years I've found that I'm simply unable to say that I love watching pro volleyball without an assuming male chirping "beach volleyball" to sniggers from half of the males in class. E-V-E-R-Y  T-I-M-E. School-leaving kids are still doing this, FFS! Evolve already.

 

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25 minutes ago, justinafrika said:

Thank you.

Whether lecturing at varsities or facilitating corporate training, for MANY years I've found that I'm simply unable to say that I love watching pro volleyball without an assuming male chirping "beach volleyball" to sniggers from half of of the males in class. E-V-E-R-Y  T-I-M-E. School-leaving kids are still doing this, FFS! 

 

stupidity isn't something to be angry at. Sympathy is a better come back

I used to play volley ball at high school, all 172cm of me

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