Does stuff like this also bother you?

[Bicycle Yard WESTERN CAPE]

This might cause some drama in the future aswell, but let me know what you guys think about the idea. 

 

Creating a thread that consists of generalized prices, for dealer/Business for both parts and bikes. 

 

I also sell parts and other goodies and have bought setups from people and when I have enough of things i give them away because if i made my % i wanted i don't care for giving back to the community (which i feel The hub creates). 

The reason why i am asking opinions about opening one is because i put up prices on my stuff and i am always negotiable on my prices, but each guy has his idea of a product, but with combined knowledge of prices and products alike (there is alot of biking knowledge on the Hub) one can ask on the thread 'this is x product, can i ask x amount, why yes and why no'. 

 

With a major focus on feedback, if i, as a seller/dealer, am crazy for asking that price, explain why it should be lowered by R750 or whatever. 

 

And more Dealers can be brought into a thread like that and it is open to the community so other users can be informed about why the price should be set at what it is and why it shouldn't be what i or other dealers make them. 

 

[stefmeister]

9 minutes ago, Zarras said:

This might cause some drama in the future aswell, but let me know what you guys think about the idea. 

 

Creating a thread that consists of generalized prices, for dealer/Business for both parts and bikes. 

 

I also sell parts and other goodies and have bought setups from people and when I have enough of things i give them away because if i made my % i wanted i don't care for giving back to the community (which i feel The hub creates). 

The reason why i am asking opinions about opening one is because i put up prices on my stuff and i am always negotiable on my prices, but each guy has his idea of a product, but with combined knowledge of prices and products alike (there is alot of biking knowledge on the Hub) one can ask on the thread 'this is x product, can i ask x amount, why yes and why no'. 

 

With a major focus on feedback, if i, as a seller/dealer, am crazy for asking that price, explain why it should be lowered by R750 or whatever. 

 

And more Dealers can be brought into a thread like that and it is open to the community so other users can be informed about why the price should be set at what it is and why it shouldn't be what i or other dealers make them. 

 

We're in the free market. Price it at what you think is fair. If it sells, and there was still money on the table, make peace with it. If it's too high, it won't sell. No need for price fixing.

[Bicycle Yard WESTERN CAPE]

For instance the Sram XO carbon crank i am selling. 

What are methods to make sure the crank is still strong, where are weak points, who has broken one before, why did it happen. 

 

Any second hand part that is sold by any dealer has the potential of being a piece of death. 

It's mostly up the the honesty of the seller, the moral of the deal. (for most hub users) and if everyone wants better definte products, what are more ways the products can be tested and what standards can be set up (besides description). 

At least a buyer is able to call or whatsapp a seller and ask for more pictures and focus areas of a sale. 

But most times when you buy from far away there are alot of things a picture can't show. 

And that's where a seller or Dealer/business's business true colors are shown. And then the Reviews come into play, at least Hubbers are able to go back to a sale and again review a seller if they don't help out. 

 

[Bicycle Yard WESTERN CAPE]

1 minute ago, stefmeister said:

We're in the free market. Price it at what you think is fair. If it sells, and there was still money on the table, make peace with it. If it's too high, it won't sell. No need for price fixing.

Yeah it won't be set in stone that it has to but if some would like to agree 15% of sellers can decide that okay we will decide on this price. 

None has to comply, or is forced its just so people can be better informed (on the information side of why a product would be this price or why not). 

 

[Grass Muncher]

12 hours ago, stefmeister said:

Not if he's a vegan and with that spelling.

Ok Pickle Rick. ????

[PhilipV]

On 6/28/2021 at 9:47 PM, Grass Muncher said:

A younger friend of mine baught a specialized helmet, specialized grips and bartape for next to nothing at a lawnmower shop in Randburg. The owner of the shop told him that they got all the stock from Botswana, everything was ment for development riders in Botswana. I dont know why they have it in their possession and why they sell it for cheap. Its not like its old stock or anything. The whole story sounds unethical to me. 

They had a lot of stock in a picture I saw, so my brother and I went and had a look. There was nothing left when we got there. The owner told us that someone baught everything from them and was going to resell it in his shop or facebook marketplace. 

The same happens here on bikehub. Whenever a good deal comes up, then one of our beloved bikehub tycoons will buy it only to resell it. Ive seen 3 negative reviews before where a seller complains because his bike is being sold for way more than what he originally sold it for. 

Im sure the majority wont agree with me but thats fine. I just want to share with you guys how I feel. 

What bothers me is that you thought the whole Stock-meant-for-development-in -Botswana-but-sold-in-SA-for-a-song situation was unethical, and yet you and your brother went there looking for a bargain. 

You are no better than the guys diverting the stock meant for someone else, and no better than the shop buying everything up and putting it in their shop, and no better than the Bikehub tycoon snapping up a bargain to resell it.

Edited July 1, 2021 by PhilipV

[AllTerrain]

I can’t wrap my head around the mentality here…. 
 

so, to the best of the OPs knowledge, a lawnmower shop came into possession of some specialised stock seemingly donated to development rider programs, and was selling at a song, amd they rushed off to snap it up.

Then question the ethics of someone else buying it before they could, and making a profit selling it on…

at no point do they question the ethics of the shop selling this stock, or how they got hold of it…

 

yes, later posts would seem to indicate it was just old stock or so, but when the OP got butthurt about it he was fully under the impression that he was off to buy something intended for a development program…

 

anyone supporting this type of mentality better never complain about corruption in government, or the stienhof scandal ever again. The ethics are the same, regardless of the value of the transaction. 
 

It’s crazy how many people here are willing to turn a blind eye to the origin of the goods they buy as long as they feel they are getting a good deal. It’s not okay. When one structures a supplier contract for large corporates, many levels of risk analysis and supplier vetting takes to as far as possible make there is nothing questionable in the supply chain, why should the same not apply to smaller transactions? Yes, things slip through and mistakes are made, but one can’t just turn a blind eye…

 

Had this same argument at a braai the other day, but about recreational drugs. It’s all good and well for someone to argue that there’s nothing really wrong with smoking a joint or doing a bit of blow as long as you can control yourself, and don’t go  off the rails etc. The common argument is it’s no more harmful than booze, and both are equally habit forming. Problem is just because you cause no one any harm when you smoke a zol, or do a line in the privacy of your own home, doesn’t magically make all the pain and suffering in the supply chain of your little harmless fun go away. I feel the same applies to buying anything you know comes through a less than kosher supply chain. Out of sight shouldn’t be out of mind

[Broodryk]

That was stock that came from a spez shop in Botswana that closed down. You also claim that the items weren't old stock, yet there were only helmets and shoes from pre 2013...making it old stock.

[Patchelicious]

For perspective, the OP is a school kid, I think he has learnt the lesson here now.

[Hairy]

53 minutes ago, Patchelicious said:

For perspective, the OP is a school kid, I think he has learnt the lesson here now.

thanks for noting this, life lessons hopefully learnt that would do him/her well in the future.

[aquaratza]

1 hour ago, Patchelicious said:

For perspective, the OP is a school kid, I think he has learnt the lesson here now.

The lesson being that the internet is dangerous?

[Mountain Bru]

On 6/30/2021 at 9:39 AM, Zarras said:

This might cause some drama in the future aswell, but let me know what you guys think about the idea. 

 

Creating a thread that consists of generalized prices, for dealer/Business for both parts and bikes. 

 

I also sell parts and other goodies and have bought setups from people and when I have enough of things i give them away because if i made my % i wanted i don't care for giving back to the community (which i feel The hub creates). 

The reason why i am asking opinions about opening one is because i put up prices on my stuff and i am always negotiable on my prices, but each guy has his idea of a product, but with combined knowledge of prices and products alike (there is alot of biking knowledge on the Hub) one can ask on the thread 'this is x product, can i ask x amount, why yes and why no'. 

 

With a major focus on feedback, if i, as a seller/dealer, am crazy for asking that price, explain why it should be lowered by R750 or whatever. 

 

And more Dealers can be brought into a thread like that and it is open to the community so other users can be informed about why the price should be set at what it is and why it shouldn't be what i or other dealers make them. 

 

It's an interesting idea, but waaaaay to complicated to implement because there's far too many factors to consider when pricing second hand cycling goods. 

Basically, we all have an ability to google what the best price is to buy an item from a shop. And we all know that if you buy that item from the shop, you have the ability to return the item to the shop if something goes wrong, which can be important depending on the item. So from that price, you need to reduce your second hand price based on a number of factors: age, condition, usage, desirability, not getting a warranty, availability of alternatives, stock of the item in bike shops, location etc.

But that will differ from item to item, even if it's the same thing. I guess some rules of thumb would be that if you're selling something that's brand new (as in COMPLETELY unused, in the packaging), you can take around 25% off the best new price. After that, it's all a negotiation. But googling a bit and looking at other ads can give you a good idea of how other people value stuff. And if you're not in a hurry to sell something, it's also okay to advertise something at a price that you think is maybe slightly optimistic, and then rather than negotiating with every responder, every week drop your price by R50 or R100 or R500 (depending on the item) until you get your asking price.