MORNE Posted July 22, 2021 Share 2 minutes ago, Jewbacca said: I really want to buy this; https://bikehub.co.za/classifieds/item/kids-bikes/487035/momsen-jsl-20-full-carbon-hardtail-mtb Slap some BMX bars on it and a longer seatpost and I will have the coolest most versatile BMX ever! It's a bit out of my 'bike fund' allowance currently, which sucks. That thing would rock. Gravel, MTB, road..... 1 bike to rule them all! Well let me know…as mentioned, i have a pair of these lying around now. Maybe a sixpack or a bottle of wine in a brown paper bag secures them????… They are trimmed to 760mm if i recall. NickGM and Jewbacca 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORNE Posted July 22, 2021 Share 7 minutes ago, SwissVan said: Bar ends reversed on a an early nineties style mtb……you gravel guys are sure pushing the envelope Right back at you???? Edited July 22, 2021 by MORNE SwissVan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORNE Posted July 22, 2021 Share 100Tours and TNT1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted July 22, 2021 Share 4 minutes ago, MORNE said: Me rida my bicycle and MORNE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne pudding Mol Posted July 22, 2021 Share 3 hours ago, SwissVan said: Bar ends reversed on a an early nineties style mtb……you gravel guys are sure pushing the envelope Early 90s mtb - 2020 gravel bike not the same thing, very distant cousins evolution is a real thing NickGM, MORNE and Jewbacca 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furbz Posted July 22, 2021 Share this makes more sense for gravel https://coefficientcycling.com/products/rr-road-race-handlebar?variant=38154130292907 Prince Albert Cycles and Mountain Goat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORNE Posted July 22, 2021 Share 3 hours ago, Furbz said: this makes more sense for gravel https://coefficientcycling.com/products/rr-road-race-handlebar?variant=38154130292907 Or a 737.. Wayne pudding Mol, Rowl, NickGM and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted July 23, 2021 Share On 7/22/2021 at 8:18 AM, RABUBI said: I Just built a gravel bike. Used normal "narrow-ish" road bars. It has been 7 years since I was last on a road bike, and this felt twitchy as F****, to the point it felt dangerous to me. Cant Imagine I used to race on these handlebars. Will now look for wider bars, and then decide if this is going back to mtb bars I went to test ride a Hubbers gravel bike (same as in this pic) DAMN !!! "Twitchy" does not begin the explain the feeling after spending decades on 700+mm flat bars ... Sure it is be a very nice bike .... once you get used to the praying mantis position .... Sid the Sloth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted July 23, 2021 Share On 7/22/2021 at 1:42 PM, Wayne pudding Mol said: Early 90s mtb - 2020 gravel bike not the same thing, very distant cousins evolution is a real thing LOTS of progress since the 90's Even nice WIDE flat bars ..... Wayne pudding Mol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100Tours Posted July 24, 2021 Share On 7/22/2021 at 8:18 AM, RABUBI said: I Just built a gravel bike. Used normal "narrow-ish" road bars. It has been 7 years since I was last on a road bike, and this felt twitchy as F****, to the point it felt dangerous to me. Cant Imagine I used to race on these handlebars. Will now look for wider bars, and then decide if this is going back to mtb bars Twitchyness is more about your fork/stem geometry than the width of your handlebars. I can't tell if it looks wrong from the pics, but if you want to make it work you might have to make further changes. Basically if you put 700c tyres on a 29er you get a smaller diameter wheel and a shorter fork trail - which is twitchy. I'm not sure what else changes when you swap out the handlebar. Edited July 24, 2021 by 100Tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted July 24, 2021 Share Gravel bikes are slowly evolving into 90s mountain bikes. Those who can’t let go of the past are going to be getting worked up about this ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocknRolla Posted July 26, 2021 Share The more things change... the more they stay the same... ChrisF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Bru Posted July 27, 2021 Share On 7/24/2021 at 7:45 AM, 100Tours said: Twitchyness is more about your fork/stem geometry than the width of your handlebars. I can't tell if it looks wrong from the pics, but if you want to make it work you might have to make further changes. Basically if you put 700c tyres on a 29er you get a smaller diameter wheel and a shorter fork trail - which is twitchy. I'm not sure what else changes when you swap out the handlebar. 100% true about the fork trail and head tube angle etc. But I think narrow handlebars do also contribute to the bike feeling twitchy, or maybe sensitive is a better word. Like it's just a basic geometry/trigonometry thing. If you make a 5cm forward or back input on 800mm wide bars, you create a small angular change in the wheel direction relative to the frame. If you make a 5cm forward or backward input on narrow 420mm road bars, you make a much larger angular change to the wheel direction relative to the frame. Not gonna do the sums, but I'm guessing to make the same steering input on narrow bars, you need like half of the hand movement. Not disagreeing that steep head tube angles and short fork trails make handling twitchy too though. Just that wide bars can make the steering less sensitive, and therefore feel less twitchy 100Tours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MudLark Posted July 29, 2021 Share It's a compromise. A proper gravel drop bar is an altogether a better arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanisAnderson Posted March 2, 2022 Share On 7/23/2021 at 10:45 PM, 100Tours said: Twitchyness is more about your fork/stem geometry than the width of your handlebars. I can't tell if it looks wrong from the pics, but if you want to make it work you might have to make further changes. Basically if you put 700c tyres on a 29er you get a smaller diameter wheel and a shorter fork trail - which is twitchy. I'm not sure what else changes when you swap out the handlebar(this). Hi, I've heard a lot that width finally matters a lot, especially with gravel bikes. Got 28er atm and after changing base handlebar to Ritchey's(not advertising) the bike has become more stable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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