Pretoria danger areas

[Barry]

35 minutes ago, pedal menace said:

Sjo - how sad a situation it is when we are having real and honest discussions on what and how we should carry weapons for defence whilst out on a bike ride!!! WT*!!!!!!!! This is not right!! All we need is a high ranking government family member to be attacked on a bike - then maybe we can hope for change!

What to do? It is very sad and now way out of hand. Multiple insistence every day. 

This is another from the weekend so that is 6 i know of.

https://www.citizen.co.za/middelburg-observer/news/2023/11/20/vroue-fietsryers-vertel-so-is-ons-met-messe-aangeval/

[dasilvarsa]

20 hours ago, Barry said:

This from today. Not exactly Pretoria just putting it out there.

I was attacked there at Riverfields on Monday 13 November 2017 by a dark skinned african male (older) and a light skinned african male (younger).

Took my Bike and Car Key and Other Stuff, Stabbed me 3 times in the chest and tied me to a tree.

Never Been back to Riverfields. You'll never Know what it's like until it happens to You.

I wonder if it's the Same Guys that have come back there as the dates are very close.

https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/169101-riverfields-mtb-single-track/?do=findComment&comment=3230706

Edited November 21 by dasilvarsa

[dave303e]

4 hours ago, pedal menace said:

Sjo - how sad a situation it is when we are having real and honest discussions on what and how we should carry weapons for defence whilst out on a bike ride!!! WT*!!!!!!!! This is not right!! All we need is a high ranking government family member to be attacked on a bike - then maybe we can hope for change!

Carry 24/7, not just on a bike. That 33% unemployment means there are millions of starving desperate people out there. Back a dog into a corner and you will see it's teeth, when a 3rd of the population is backed into a financial corner then you know there are plenty teeth out there.

[RobertWhitehead]

38 minutes ago, dave303e said:

Carry 24/7, not just on a bike. That 33% unemployment means there are millions of starving desperate people out there. Back a dog into a corner and you will see it's teeth, when a 3rd of the population is backed into a financial corner then you know there are plenty teeth out there.

This!

Nothing will change unless the root of the problem is addressed. If you have a look at a basic thing like "Maslow's hierarchy of needs" you will see that the first and most basic need is not even achieved by a lot of people here and you our beautiful country. I mean do a quick calculation, take someone working in and or around your house, now take the cost of your bike: 

Bike price / his or her daily rate =??? 

It will take them not days or months but rather years of saving everything he / she earns to be able to afford something basic like a bike. The problem that needs to be addressed is not where to place your weapon whilst out on your bike but rather how do we as a community uplift everyone and not just stay behind our 10 foot walls and security fences. 

[Robbie Stewart]

As much as I understand the desire for people to feel safe and protected on a bicycle, I am not sure that carrying a firearm is effective deterrence. I read a N24 article this morning about a kid that got attacked in Kayamandi in Stellenbosch over the weekend after he got mugged of his bike and tried to fight back. He tried to follow them as they made of with his bike before realizing the folly of his pursuit. Other instances of people getting stabbed or worse are rife after they fought for their possession. I understand the emotion. We all do, but what I am questioning is the sudden urge to carry a firearm every time something like this happens.

firstly, you had better be able to utilize the firearm effectively to either dissuade the attack, or to then if you do end up using it, to ensure that you are not endangering other people. Backstop for one - can you with certainty say you know where the round(s) will end up after being discharged? When did you pull the trigger? Were you still endangered, or has the attacker retreated before you shot? Can you prove it in a court of law, because you are going to find yourself in one whether you like to or not? Did you kill your attacker? Was it justified in the eyes of the law? Can you deal with the emotional rollercoaster that will bring knowing you took a life? 

What if during the attack you lose your firearm? What if you get shot with it? What is God forbid someone else gets killed with your firearm? What if innocent cyclists nowhere close to you gets attacked and killed purely for the reason that it has become common knowledge that cyclists carry concealed firearms?

I've said it before and I will say it again. The day cyclists start carrying firearms, I will hang up my bikes.

[dasilvarsa]

9 minutes ago, Robbie Stewart said:

As much as I understand the desire for people to feel safe and protected on a bicycle, I am not sure that carrying a firearm is effective deterrence. I read a N24 article this morning about a kid that got attacked in Kayamandi in Stellenbosch over the weekend after he got mugged of his bike and tried to fight back. He tried to follow them as they made of with his bike before realizing the folly of his pursuit. Other instances of people getting stabbed or worse are rife after they fought for their possession. I understand the emotion. We all do, but what I am questioning is the sudden urge to carry a firearm every time something like this happens.

firstly, you had better be able to utilize the firearm effectively to either dissuade the attack, or to then if you do end up using it, to ensure that you are not endangering other people. Backstop for one - can you with certainty say you know where the round(s) will end up after being discharged? When did you pull the trigger? Were you still endangered, or has the attacker retreated before you shot? Can you prove it in a court of law, because you are going to find yourself in one whether you like to or not? Did you kill your attacker? Was it justified in the eyes of the law? Can you deal with the emotional rollercoaster that will bring knowing you took a life? 

What if during the attack you lose your firearm? What if you get shot with it? What is God forbid someone else gets killed with your firearm? What if innocent cyclists nowhere close to you gets attacked and killed purely for the reason that it has become common knowledge that cyclists carry concealed firearms?

I've said it before and I will say it again. The day cyclists start carrying firearms, I will hang up my bikes.

Amen.

The Attackers Hide in the Bushes. When You come past they grab your Handlebars You fall off the Bike and Injure Yourself in the Process. They Jump on Your back. When do You have the Opportunity to use the fire Arm ? Never !

[Barry]

 

I think we need a gauteng thread or somewhere to post all this info. 

Van Gaalen

Snip whatsapp group: Morning folks, we held out as long as we could but the Zama Zama's numbers at mine shaft have been increasing and with all attacks that have been taking place in pta east, i have decided to close the pomphuis and snakebite trail...all the signs have been removed but the railway section to bill harrops will still be cut and maintained for the time being...MTB has been under alot of pressure for the past year or so, hiking numbers have grown substantially and cycling numbers are going down...we will be focusing our efforts mainly on the northern side( river trail, greek church) but will continue maintanance on the southern trails until end of Jan and then reassess if its worth continuing to maintain them aswell.

[ycowley]

So there was another bike jacking this weekend (Sunday morning at about 9am). This time at Fountains Circle on the road.

Be careful out there all

[Faze Maze]

10 minutes ago, ycowley said:

So there was another bike jacking this weekend (Sunday morning at about 9am). This time at Fountains Circle on the road.

Be careful out there all

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