Supplements

[Vroetelvarkie]

I`m looking to develop sport supplements, its just crazy how much guys charge for stuff that doesn't work, only because they spend thousands on marketing....

 

So the plan is to do some research on ingredients on the best and the worst, then making the best with the lowest price. I have access to a formulating specialist and a pharmaceutical company which will handle the production.

All we have to come up with is the products, and therefore I need input from the man on the street, as we want to develop something that works.

 

So what kind of supplements do you use and why? Is the price you pay for them a issue?

 

This is still in planning phase, so any input will help!

 

Thanks!

[pastapouch]

You'll can look at Fit, Energy Dynamics, USN ,Biogen ... they're quite good. As for pricing, I have no idea. never look at the price, keep my eyes closed to prevent a heart attack.

[The Saint]

Far as I am concerned they are all much of a muchness however agree with Cervelo the prices are a bit overboard.

 

Containers are getting smaller for more dosh

 

And can someone please make a scoop that actually fits into the bottle rather than having to spill half the stuff!!!

[Cyclewizz]

Pricing for me is an issue so I often shop around.

Luckily for me I have on of the cheapest places to buy supplements from, namely Springbok Pharmacy.

 

I also use www.basicsupplements.co.za great service and even better prices.

They just supply BASIC supplements as the name suggests, no fancy containers with pretty labels. The quality is inside the container.

[Lounge Lizard]

Far as I am concerned they are all much of a muchness however agree with Cervelo the prices are a bit overboard.

 

Containers are getting smaller for more dosh

 

And can someone please make a scoop that actually fits into the bottle rather than having to spill half the stuff!!!

 

 

....AND a tub with an opening large enough so I can actually get my hand IN to scoop out the sh!t !!

[Bbox]

Speak to Topwine. he seems to know everything

[Eldron]

My requirements:

 

1) A "basic" drink for every day training. I durrently use powerade and bananas - they work fine for me.

2) A racing gel - something with caffeine - I currently use Whasp Magenta ans it works fine for me.

3) A protein recovery drink - I currently use USN Protein IGF-9 - no worries.

 

I agree with the above - a scoop that fits a common size bottle opening will get you many fans. A tub that has a lid the same diameter as the tub will win you many fans.

 

Maybe a tub with a calibrated scoop for 500ml and 750ml bottles? That should make it nice and simple.

 

If you go gels I would recommend only doing the big bottle and "hip flask" route - no sachets - they're difficult to use on mtb and the littering potential is obviously an issue.

 

With the energy drink perhaps make the lid the right dilution for a 750ml bottle.

 

Make is simple - perhaps only have 3 offerings - traninig, racing and recovery. Most people are overwhelmed by the variety of products available.

 

The chemistry for most products seem to be bang on but there is room for development in the packaging.

 

Best of luck!!

[AndreZA]

It must desolve completely. When you take it out of the fridge the next morning no powder must be left on the bottom of the bottle. This is also great for freezing. In the summer I like to freeze my one drink so that it is defrosted 3/4 when I start drinking it. If it does not desolve completeley the top half is tasteless and the bottom is overpowering.

[Minion]

The problem with most supplements is that they make astounding claims, but then are not able to provide proper evidence from well designed, controlled trials to back up those claims. In cases where evidence does exist that shows that the ingredients in the supplement do provide benefits in the quantities that they are present, they neglect to compare the supplement itself with other things containing those ingredients in those quantities.

 

Using recovery drinks as an example: there are many valid studies showing the benefits of carbohydrates and protein to aid recovery and these are used to justify the supplement's claims. But this is the wrong evidence to show. I don't dispute that carbs and protein aid recovery. I want to see evidence showing that the supplement performs better than something else containing carbs and protein in those amounts, such as chocolate milk. In this case, there are a number of studies that show that commercial recovery drinks perform no better than chocolate milk (although both do perform significantly better than a placebo).

 

If you cannot provide proper evidence that your supplement performs significantly better than some equivalent then you must provide value in some other way. For me, this could be one of the following:

• It could provide a similar effect at lower overall cost.
• It could taste nicer or be easier to stomach.
• It could be more convenient.

In my training, I use Milo as a recovery drink because it is cheap, convenient, tastes good and there is sufficient scientific evidence out there to convince me that it is as effective as a commercial recovery drink.

 

While I'm riding I drink Whasp energy drink which is more expensive than Energade or the AJ mix. I use it because it is convenient for me: buy tub, put scoop in bottle, add water, drink. No running around trying to source and mix various bags of white powder etc. It also tastes quite nice and it's not too sweet so it's easy to drink. There is evidence that carbohydrate drinks with electrolytes aid performance and hydration in endurance events.

 

On training rides I'll use some homemade energy bars, but while racing I'll use Whasp gels. This is because I can put them in a convenient flask that's eay to access while riding hard (no unwrapping required). They also have a flavour and runny consistency that I find very easy to swallow while I'm riding hard.

 

I may be able to get those benefits from other brands, but I use Whasp because Pornstar had some good specials on that convinced me to try it. I liked it and I've seen no particular reason to change.

[BikesRxS]

The problem with most supplements is that they make astounding claims, but then are not able to provide proper evidence from well designed, controlled trials to back up those claims. In cases where evidence does exist that shows that the ingredients in the supplement do provide benefits in the quantities that they are present, they neglect to compare the supplement itself with other things containing those ingredients in those quantities.

 

Using recovery drinks as an example: there are many valid studies showing the benefits of carbohydrates and protein to aid recovery and these are used to justify the supplement's claims. But this is the wrong evidence to show. I don't dispute that carbs and protein aid recovery. I want to see evidence showing that the supplement performs better than something else containing carbs and protein in those amounts, such as chocolate milk. In this case, there are a number of studies that show that commercial recovery drinks perform no better than chocolate milk (although both do perform significantly better than a placebo).

 

If you cannot provide proper evidence that your supplement performs significantly better than some equivalent then you must provide value in some other way. For me, this could be one of the following:

• It could provide a similar effect at lower overall cost.
• It could taste nicer or be easier to stomach.
• It could be more convenient.

In my training, I use Milo as a recovery drink because it is cheap, convenient, tastes good and there is sufficient scientific evidence out there to convince me that it is as effective as a commercial recovery drink.

 

While I'm riding I drink Whasp energy drink which is more expensive than Energade or the AJ mix. I use it because it is convenient for me: buy tub, put scoop in bottle, add water, drink. No running around trying to source and mix various bags of white powder etc. It also tastes quite nice and it's not too sweet so it's easy to drink. There is evidence that carbohydrate drinks with electrolytes aid performance and hydration in endurance events.

 

On training rides I'll use some homemade energy bars, but while racing I'll use Whasp gels. This is because I can put them in a convenient flask that's eay to access while riding hard (no unwrapping required). They also have a flavour and runny consistency that I find very easy to swallow while I'm riding hard.

 

I may be able to get those benefits from other brands, but I use Whasp because Pornstar had some good specials on that convinced me to try it. I liked it and I've seen no particular reason to change.

 

 

I use hammer nutrition and it works for me 150km training rides

[Lounge Lizard]

Interesting to see the preference for a 'flask' of gel. I am always concern I might over do the carbs late in a ride/race (+dehydrated=crams) so worried that I will suck-up too much from a flask.

How do you control your use ? and how much do those small plastic flasks hold ?

(apologies..just realised this is a bit of a hijack)

[Lounge Lizard]

I`m looking to develop sport supplements, its just crazy how much guys charge for stuff that doesn't work, only because they spend thousands on marketing....

 

So the plan is to do some research on ingredients on the best and the worst, then making the best with the lowest price. I have access to a formulating specialist and a pharmaceutical company which will handle the production.

All we have to come up with is the products, and therefore I need input from the man on the street, as we want to develop something that works.

 

So what kind of supplements do you use and why? Is the price you pay for them a issue?

 

This is still in planning phase, so any input will help!

 

Thanks!

 

TEAM RABOBANK has a secret: During the Tour de France, there has been something unusual splashing around in their drink bottles

Jeukendrup's hydration recipe

½ cup maltodextrin

6 ½ tsp fructose

¼-½ tsp table salt

Combine in one liter of water, shake, and serve!

 

I do however think the GI32 guys have a good idea. Just not sure how to get it to work for me.

A low GI if it can (and appears to do so for some guys) must be the healthier option.

I have tried two tubs and could not find a mixture that does not make me feel bloated and nauseous.

But I just love the concept....

So, rather than just the malotodex/fructose as per most drinks...I would like to see more research and recipes for low GI products.

[Minion]

Interesting to see the preference for a 'flask' of gel. I am always concern I might over do the carbs late in a ride/race (+dehydrated=crams) so worried that I will suck-up too much from a flask.

How do you control your use ? and how much do those small plastic flasks hold ?

(apologies..just realised this is a bit of a hijack)

Flasks usually hold about 125g which is roughly 2.5 gel sachets (depending on the brand). Nothing too accurate about dosage on my part: one longish suck takes about one gel sachet's worth.

[Pornstar]

We sell bottle of gel too on www.whaspshop.co.za and our energy drink has 28 servings for only 170 zar so we one of the best value for money drinks on market

[Vroetelvarkie]

Thanks guys, this really helps alot!

 

Keep them coming!

[CharlV]

Use PeptoPro mixed with Powerade (have to, cause it tastes like crushed Panado) however at the end of a 100Km race when i start to use energy bars i seem to hit he wall im a major way ,still trying to find a way to prevent this !!

agree with the "Make is simple - perhaps only have 3 offerings - traninig, racing and recovery. Most people are overwhelmed by the variety of products available." from previous blogger.

CharlV