Ysterman, I'm talking MrP, Jet, Ackermans, even PnP type stuff. All decent, if not quite North Face or Columbia... (especially when you currently have nothing). No reason not to give out en route which is what some guys do at Comrades when there's a PMB start. V12man, I hear you but: a) That's not really the point, it's a way to help some others too b) The ol' bin bag is not exactly warm enough to keep you toastie for an hour at 5 degrees. Off to MrP this afternoon.