shinobi111

Yup, clearance issues. Seems like the inner diameter of the tire needs to be pretty close to the outer diameter of the rims bed.

Yeah, also heard that. Apparently the cold air turns the sealant into some slimy texture which renders it useless. Hand pump was more than enough to get the wheel up in the end. Seems after all my troubles it was a combination of what was mentioned here, and a little common sense that I was lacking!!!

So was at it again last night, and happy to report that front and back was successfully converted to tubeless!! Would like to thank everyone for their help and tips - don't think I would have gotten it right without it. Thought i'd just mention quickly what I did if anybody else has issues similar to mine: Firstly, i took the stans rim tape off the wheels and cleaned the inside of the rim thoroughly. Went down to our local brights around the corner and got 2 of those big roles of insulation tape (big thanks to Niel for this tip). Had 3 options : R10 (said high quality on the packaging) R86 (said R86 on the packaging, so no) R16 (said highest quality on the packaging, obviously chose this one) So basically with the bike upside-down, pulled up a chair to the front wheel and started laying down the tape. I carefully did a center layer over the spoke holes for one revolution, and then alternated left and right for each revolution of the wheel after that. I think i did about 3-4 layers each side. And that was that really. First thing i noticed was how friggin' difficult it was to actually get the tire on the rim after adding the tape, but once the tire was actually on I was able to inflate it with about 3 - 4 strokes using a hand pump. Tested both front and back for seating before even considering to bring the stans into play. Once i was happy that the tires could be inflated, I removed the cores, and used a massive syringe to inject the sealant through the valve. Core back in, inflate and spin the wheel like crazy. Easy peasy. The front tire inflated and after shaking it back and forth sealed up perfectly. The rear tire had a slight "hissing" sound after inflating and spinning. This was easily remedied by deflating the tire somewhat, and the pulling the tire left and right - almost like you're trying to pull the tire off the rim. Doing one revolution of this eliminated the hissing and seems to have sealed. Obviously only been inflated for about 10 hours or so - but this morning both seems to have held the pressure. I'll check again once I get home and report back if something did go wrong. Thanks again guys - much appreciated!!

Correct, they came folded up. I took your advise and did exactly that last night. Going to leave it for a while and see if that helps at all. Another hubber raised quite an interesting point as well. If the recess in the rim is too deep - meaning the once mounted the bead doesn't actually touch the rim / rim tape - then you're going to kuk to get it inflated cause it's constantly sitting away from the rim and can't form a seal. Think my solution might lie in both remedies, more rim tape to close the gap between the rim and the wheel, and "form" the tire by mounting it tubed. Was mentioned before that it's not an exact science - starting to see what they mean. Seems one has to play with it, and find a setup that works. For now i'm done with the sealant though - can't handle cleaning any more stans. I'll add this again once I see the tire actually go up. I'll be sure to report back here once I've tried this.

This gives me a little hope actually. Can you give me more details on the kit that you used? Would be appreciated. I tried again just now - but stopped before I throw the wheels some-place!!

About the only thing i'm dead sure about at this stage!!

The tires I trust are tubeless-ready - it says so on the sidewall. The rims - not sure although it has quite a decent bead hook on the inside of the rim. But from what I understood any rim can be made tubeless by using the tape in anycase so . . . . I tried the strap method you describe but with a rope which didn't work out all that well. To be perfectly honest I didn't give it a proper go though. Have been at it for a couple of hours last night, covered in sealant with some work left to do so wasn't the most enthusiastic guy on the planet - but i'll give it a go again with a better setup. Got a few decent tips so far - so have a few things to try again tonight. Don't know if you guys have seen these okes on the web inflating their tires by using some sort of a flammable gas - think that would be the last resort, perhaps burning down my house in the process!! Haha.

Think it's 20 or 30l - i'll double check this tonight.

Ordered them from CRC . . . So will probably have to buy a new one then.

Is it just the first time that's such a mission, or every time you need to inflate from completely flat?

Yeah, got an over sized one from my brother, but basically the rush of air wasn't enough to push the tire out. Would have been nice if I considered the fact that the thing was going to get so bloody cold!! Was my first time using one of these and afterwards was stuck to my hand. Haha.

Good point. Pressure high but not enough volume could make a difference. LOL on the seating to swearing ratio - can relate!!

I'll give your secret mixture a go. I'm currently using about 1-5 ratio for the soapy water. The tire is quite loose yes - i've heard that you can add more layers of tape inside the rim in order to bring the tire closer in effectively. Thanks for your tips.

#Bianchi - When you say "first we'd make sure the tire is seated nicely" - what do you mean by that? I've seen that tubeless tires(which to my understanding is different to the tubeless-ready tires) has a fat rim just above the bead which people almost pull up onto the rim before inflation. This makes total sense to me cause it minimizes the chances or air escaping between the rim and tire once you inflate. I've tried this only once with my tire, but as far as I could gather the tire that i'm using does not have this "shoulder". It can either go inside the rim, or outside the rim. There is nothing "in between" if you know what I mean? Or am I missing something? #Ibicam - My compressor can do about 120psi - but i'll go and try the garage compressor tonight and see if it makes a difference, not sure what those garages ones put out. CO2 bomb i've tried with no result. Think the main problem is the fact that the tire isn't close enough to the rim yes - but not sure how to fix that.

Thanks for the reply and and kind words!! Believe me, i've been all over the place. Youtube (continental, schwalbe, stans official channels, as well as user tutorials), random blogs and tutorials, manufacturers sites , tech sheets - the works. Was kinda hoping another hubber - as I see they're called - has had a similar experience and had the issue resolved somehow. Could it be that the rims tires doesn't match, or perhaps like I mentioned and old hand that knows how to sort out a stubborn tire. Thanks anyways

Hi all, My first time posting here - unfortunately out of frustration so hoping somebody will be able to help me!! Only recently started biking so been building up a bike for the past few months. I decided that I would try out the whole tubeless thing - thought it might be the right time since i got new rims and tires about a week ago. I've been at it a couple of days now without any success whatsoever, regardless of what I tried. Just a quick list of what I'm working with: Signature AmXC 29" Wheels (http://www.loadedusa...c-29''/) Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35 Tires (http://www.chainreac...x?ModelID=83196) Stans / American Classic Rim Tape Stans NoTubes Sealant Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump Fragram 24l compressor always on full blast CO2 bombs So I've tried quite a few things, but I think it might be my lack of biking knowledge that's letting me down at the moment. 1. Installed the rim tape on the wheels, mounted the tire 3/4 of the way on the one side, added the sealant, fully mount, turned the wheel so the valve is at the top and inflate. Result: air comes rushing out between the tire and rim, no inflation. After a while when the stans accumulates at the bottom of the wheel - stans flies everywhere. 2. Mount tire 3/4 of the way on one side, add sealant, fully mount, turned wheel to valve at top, brush with soapy water between tire and rim and inflate. Result: air comes out between the tire and rim - no clearly visible as large bubbles are forming all over the place, no inflation. Again, stans all over the place, this time including my face. At this point I read that you should actually try and do a pre-inflation without the stans just to see if the tyre will seat properly. Apparently it should be possible to temporarily inflate the tire to a seated position without it sealing 100%. This is great news cause now I could clean the mess and stop wasting the stans!! 3. Mount tire, add soapy water to bead, manually and carefully try and get the tire as close to the rim using a combination of fingers and tire-levers, inflate. Result: air still making nice big bubbles but no inflation. Luckily no stans this time. Repeat mixing some of my available options.... Basically a few iterations and combinations of the above techniques is what I tried, remove the valve core, bombs ect... Could probably continue explaining a few of the other utter failures, but my fingers are still hurting from last nights attempt to pry the tire close to the rim. I've accepted the fact that this boils down to incompetence / lack of knowledge. There must be something fundamental that I'm doing wrong, a step that I'm missing or perhaps an industry "trick" for stubborn tires if this is such a case. One thing that I did notice, it seems like after fitting the tire on the rim, it's very loose (in the sense that the inner diameter of the tire is slightly larger than the outer diameter of the rim platform), and loose the other way (in the sense that the bead is sitting away from the rims walls). Not sure if this makes a difference? Any help would obviously be very much appreciated. Regards, Armand.