Very much appreciated the comments by Bigmozarella and others on the boxes. If someone has the time and inclination, any comments on the climbs. THE ROOF BAVIAANS BACK FANGS MAC NEVER ENDER We train on Breedts Nek over the Magalies and surrounds. In my mind is whether there is much respite on the way up. MAC seems to have a kink after about 5km. Much appreciated, Jonathan Thompson