A.S.G. U Suck

Since our first dealing with Mr De Villiers we did not like the Necsa Start/Finish. He and Johan was however insistant that it should take place there....because the venue cost was free.... Great news is that Jakaranda Cycling Club have secured a much safer Start/Finish without putting any of the participants or its own members working that day lifes at risk. Being cyclists our selves we have always approached the event from a "Safety First" aspect and for the past 3 years we have each year had negative replies about the venue. Why would they start their again and use this same venue....simple it for free!!! More profit!!! Is it Safe??? NO it isn't... The traffic on that road is dangerous. Motorists get highly irate due to marshal intervention in traffic patterns.

The Jakaranda Cycling Club has 3 events on the CA annual racing calendar: In order to list and event on the CSA calendar a club has to register the event and also pay the relevant fees. For all the below listed events Jakaranda Cycling Club has listed and paid the relevant fees each year. Ownership? By virtue that the Jakaranda Cycling Club started these events, paid all registration fees to place the event on the CSA annual Calendar etc would then by default indicate that the said event belongs to the club as CSA accepted the payment towards the event.....correct? The Events are as follows: 1) Pre- Argus Road race 2) "Win with a Tin" Race - traditional where participating cyclists give a food tin or toy for charity (name could change depending on the sponsor) This race takes place on 22 Spetember this year.... IT DOESNT REPLACE THE JAKARANDA SATELLITE CLASSIC it has always been its own event. Normally week 38 of the annual calendar 3) Jakaranda Satellite Classic which was first hosted by the Jakaranda Cycling Club in 2000 and every year ever since. the route was "developed" by the club, and the start and finish was from the Telkom Satellite Teleport station It was one of the few Gauteng events that enjoyed Argus seeding, such as the Dome 2 Dome race. It has been the Jakaranda Cycling Club (Telkom Cycling Club) event since its inception in 2000. Scheduled for week 42 of the annual calendar. Hope this clarifies any misunderstanding.

Clubs are not registered entities, CC's, (Pty) Ltd etc....unless one person registers the TM or Reg for and on behalf of the club...he/she leaves the Club will loose the IP. Argus belongs to CTCTT an registered company that why their race is safe.

Hate to burts your bubble....Mr De Villiers is invloved since last year, and yes there went the entry fee Up, Up and away. And if you look again you'll see the event listed on another website with a "....co.za" post fix...just go look an you'll see.

Hi there Wyatt, I'll buy Shimano in SA, Bianchi in SA, and any other product from a cyclist friendly importer and retailer. Local is good!! I support my local cycle shop, no problem. They even built a bike for one of our children home kids with spare parts and an old Bianchi frame I gave them. But the gloves come off when you cross the line and start expoiting one of the charities I give my time and money too, and attempt to take away the IP of our club. Well then I'd rather support one of the other advertisers here on The Hub. CRC is an advertiser right here on The Hub.

Well it may say I'm a Rookie...But I can build a forum and website in a night, so I guess I know how to make a post here on the Hub, and what a lekker place this is with all these hardcore cyclists here. Beats sending out a boring old email to 3500 hard core cyclists that have spam checkers on their Inbox....and emails aren't interactive....This is so much better and more!

Finally someone that sees the picure.....Clubs are the core of most sports that's were they tell you about chamois cream and why you shave your legs....never seen a workshop by any one of these large Co's or race organisers to tell you about the inns and out of cycling...that to people in the club and you get sorted...

The previous thread wasn't placed by the person that wrote the comments it was a "cut and paste" job from the JCC web forum...this time the OP is also the writer of the thread.

Incorrect we never had an agreement with ASG., but with Mr de Villiers and his events company. How ASG got involved is still not know...and no we actually know exactly how much is made and how much we received, hence why out agreement was only for a set period to start with.

To answer your questions: Cycling clubs in most cases are not registered businesses, as they start on a social level and registered at the regional control body as a club such Gauteng Cycling Association , not as a legal company. The club then starts an event, it is placed on the calender on the local Association, and if it is a National listed event on the National Calender at Cycling SA. You could register legally the event and the club, but that's not how it starts and is very costly hence in most cases this is not done. Once the club hosts the event the assumption is that the same date in the next year will be used by that club to host the event again, and so the yearly local, provincial and national calender is made up. Obviously National events take preference but there are rules to guide and govern this. In Cycling CSA has the final say about dates allocated. In case of the Jakaranda Satellite classic it has been hosted and run by the Jakaranda Cycling Club (then Telkom Cycling Club) since 2000. For 12 years the club members and management have organised and hosted the event. 1)At no point did Jakaranda Cycling Club sign or agree to "give or sell" our event or agree to the use of our name to any other party, person or company. 2) A club Exco Team would write to the local association advising them of it, and then CSA advising them. Neither of the above happenend a corrupt official receiving "sponsorships" from the Hi jacking firm just did it....and theirin lies our problem. Nevermind our club intelectual property and hard work for the past 13 years....hence our warning to other clubs. I'm sure the original Baberton Cycling club could tell you what's about to happen to their event called the Jock, and then Edenvale Peddellers what happened to their race called Emperor Classic... Thus the event was Hi Jacked!

I have been cycling for years! I’ve been riding since the days of Deal & Huth Cycles, Alpina Bicycles, Le Jean Bicycles, Peugot Bicycles and the gold old days of Hansom Cycles….if you have the amount of grey hair I have, road roasties etc you’ll remember these names. These where the days of honest cycling before the modern day thieves and “back hander” politicians arrived on the scene…the days when Pedal Power Association was the In thing to register with. My Rant and Rave is about how the modern day code of ethics have fallen by the way side for the simple exploitation of cyclists and their ease and willingness to spend and pay to participate in their sport at weekend races (and isn’t that calendar just full!) The average of R180.00 per race is small change…..nowadays. Most cyclist entering a race doesn’t know the amount of work and organization that goes into hosting such an event, and when it was well organized then it was money well spent ….right? Cyclists also don’t know that if they arrive in their masses (over 2000 is a good number!!) …. just how much money the race organizer can make for your 3 – 4 hours of blood sweat and tears, odd puncture or two, and if you’re luck and don’t fall then you get a piece of metal worth no more than R15.00!! Whoopy!! The sad story is that the Jakaranda Satellite Classic race was hosted by Jakaranda Cycling Club since 2000 (known before as the Telkom Cycling Club), with great success. We all know about Hekpoort (and don’t we just love the rolling hills ….almost as much fun as Suikerbossie…not!). It has come to light that A.S.G. Events and Mr Wyand de Villiers (Cycling News) have gone and done their “trickery” with CSA to actually Hi Jack the event from the originating and founding club the Jakaranda Cycling Club. So why am I making such a big fuss about a little old Sunday morning cycle race….Well little do the cyclists know that the Jakaranda Cycling Club (JCC) is affiliated with the Jakaranda Children’s Home (JCH). The Jakaranda Cycling Club has been a financial sponsor of the JCH development cycling team for the past few years. The Jakaranda Satellite Classic event has been the very instrument the club has used for the past years to earn revenue to fund the development, upkeep and maintenance of the semi professional team in the Jakaranda Children’s Home at a cost of no less than R65,000.00 per year for the absolute basics. The Jakaranda Satellite Classic has become one of those “must ride” races and serves as a seeding event for the Cape Argus Cycle Tour. The profile of the race also makes it a true test for a cyclists endurance and fitness, it’s not for the faint hearted. The race is seen by many as the closest measure on how you’ll do at the Argus because of Hekpoort. By Hi-jacking the event neither parties have undertaken to fund the Jakaranda Children’s Home development cycling teams , not even as much as a Pinarello Bicycle….or any one piece of anything from the other 21 brands of products they boast to import and sell to us unawares cyclists. If you don’t believe me…then be my guest and contact the JCH and find out for yourself, as this is fact. A.S.G. events & holdings , Mr de Villiers & Gregory van Heerden - Secretary General Cycling South Africa all feel this is nothing and that is fine to go about their business to Hi jack events such as: Jakaranda Satellite Classic from Jakaranda Cycling club (brand.cilliers@telkomsa.net) Emperors Palace Classic from Edevale Pedallers (trevor@edenvalecycling.co.za I’m also sure the next one to go very soon is the Jock, I wonder if the Baberton Cycling club is aware of what’s about to happen to their race…. All these events where started by the relevant clubs and with their hard work, diligence and marketing over the years we have become aware of them and driven miles to go an support and ride them, because we’re cyclists. Then just to have the event Hi-jacked when it reaches financial value. It goes against the grain…. If this is the way Cycling South Africa is going to conduct itself and sell out the Cycling Clubs to which ever company offers to sponsor their management people the it’s time to rather support the Pedal Power Association as the representative organization for cycling in South Africa and David Belairs you have my vote!! What a great job CTCTT is doing in Cape Town!! And you don’t have to pay the stupid CSA license fee to ride the Argus Cycle Race!! What has CSA done to improve the Argus Cycle Race as the Largest Timed Cycling event in the World! Nothing!! Here’s a stern warning to any Cycling Club out there that has a cycling event worth of some cash profit, whatever you do Do not call the Boogie Man or his events company cause you’ll surely have no race before you wipe the sweat out of your eyes! As a cycling consumer….today I undertake to advise as many other cyclists of what is taking place right under your spokes. And as we’re all going to boycott E-Toll….we can boycott them... I ask you all to stand by me and boycott any A.S.G event and sports, Not to buy any of their 21 brands of products because we’re being exploited and firms such as these are not worthy of our cash. Without us buying their products and supporting their events they are nothing. Our club of 200 members will not support them, and I'm sure our friends at Edenvale will also not. The RED list is: Pinarello bicycles, Rudy Projects, Sidi shoes, Zefal, Sanmarco saddles, Fulcrum wheels, FTech cycling gear, FFWD Fast Forward wheels, and so on…. And don’t support their sponsors the likes of BestMed, etc. There are many other alternative to buy than any of the above products, and if you have to buy one of them use www.chainreactioncycles.com it’s cheaper!! It's a sad day for cycling in South Africa when we have to resort to this type of action to protect our rights ias cycling clubs and as individuals.