Fair .. and all my cycling friends told me to goto the hub. LOL .. but I see the message.. what im trying to avoid is the "aaah man why did you not tell me " buyers remorse when you walk in a shop looing like a chop and buying what the sales guy tells you is the bast bike for money and then seeing the same or better deal here... so i think ill try and understand the spokelish spoken here and see what the diff is between deore and slx. and make a componentised compression and see how it goes.. ;-).. its what consultants do.. fake it till we make it.. LOL