Bobsleigh

Mr Ples/Trevor. I'm new to the conversation and a cyclist who is pretty keen to get cyclists to be more responsible/respectful. A couple of the owners and a couple of the riders obviously have your backs up and are replying to each other in ways that isn't really moving the conversation forward, but there are others that want to fix it. I'm happy that you're still here and continue to talk, but we need to find a different dynamic to get moving. I reckon get people together on the 20th. You're more likely to be a bit more chilled in real life. If you want to assemble the owners etc afterwards, then ok, but just start the process with a hopefully friendly meeting instead of keeping this conversation in your memory when discussing it. If the conversation here continues to go south, maybe move those who are keen to negotiate to a new less-biased forum. Google Groups can provide one and hopefully participants will be more civil to each other.

New poster - hi all. I ride both my road bikes and a mountain bike. I've ridden the Cradle route many times. This last week I was just left dumbfounded. A few groups were just taking over the whole lane, even on blind corners so I just couldn't get past unless I waited (which I started off doing) or drove dangerously - on the right, with only a short view ahead. As an avid cyclist it irritated me - I can only imagine what it must be like for general road users and even more for residents who have that every weekend. Guys 'n gals, if we don't build a culture of respect, we're not going to get this thing sorted. We have a great resource in the Cradle - safe and beautiful. But we're playing a part in messing it up. I think it's the big clubs that need to encourage safer riding because that's usually where the worst behaviour comes from, and where good behaviour can make the biggest difference. If a car comes, just shuffle over a bit. If you can't then the group is too bunched up - string out some. If all else fails, just try driving the route when the cyclists are out I think it'll open your eyes some.