Your response to Carla, calling it "tongue in cheek", is maybe a good measurement of your character!! Only an IDIOT will use words like "HTF" and "Why, oh WHY are people like this allowed to breed?" then claim it was all "tongue in cheek"!! Maybe you should not compete in these events if they cause you so much grief, or are you bitter 'cause you spend most of them riding in the back of the last bunch? I know training by oneself, due to a lack of friends is hard but slagging others openly, when events like these provide fun, entertainment and great opportunities for all, is just wrong!! Take this any way you want, I have no motives(or tongue in cheeks) Said matter will not be discussed further(amen) Blackie