Thanks for the reply i wanna do more trail orientated riding and long open dirt roads but i don't wanna spend thousands on a bike between 5k and 8k is my limit I road a long open dirt road and a bit of trails i went to rietvlei out in jhb south and was great fun and i could see that this is something id like to get into so as for the bike that a posted with the 1st post what do you guys think? Here's the specs and i can get it for R4500.00 2012 Scott Aspect 10 XL Fork: Rock Shox Recon, Silver TK Solo Air with remote lockout Rear derailer: XT Front derailer: Deore Frame: Alloy 6061, XL 26" wheels. Size good for someone 1.8 meter or taller.