Formerly known as easy rider

Agree Peter M I run a small gym and recently started selling sups etc. Untill the goods were packed onto a product specific shelf nothing really moved.Can't get stock fast enough recently! Package your product on its own(near the pos) shelf. You will have noticed how many hubbers are always on about their LBS's etc. I wouldn't go the big give away route with your product,rather put the money into good product specific stands that package your product for the market and target the stand and product package to bike shops,running shops etc. You're pushing your product to the big stores in the false belief that you will grow your market share quicker that way.Nah,get your distribution sorted,your reps sorted and target the smaller shops with a specific package, including boxes of 3's,5's 10's etc. Smaller packs of mamba juice will also go down a treat on cafe counters,in small counter freindly boxes to wake up students,drivers and married men with girl freinds. Good luck I live up in Limpopo and haven't seen your product up here!!!

Guys this is whats wrong with discussions of "faith" on the hub. It leads to people of opposing veiws and different faiths upsetting and annoying each other. I have been accused of blasphemy,(how I still don't know!),and it seems a lot of other things reading the scriptures quoted,(from your faiths Holy bible) Linnega,I don't need to be right.It would appear that you however do. I did want to point out that all faiths can, and do, get seen as controversial by other people that do not follow our own faith. As in the scriptures quoted, I do not believe that I have,(and ceartainly hope that I have not un intentionally) ridiculed your God,persecuted you,tortured you,stoned you,handed you over to council,flogged you in a synagogue,taken you before a govenor or council or arrested you, and I ceartainly don't hate you. Porks I am not trying to trap anybody and I have not "persecuted Jesus forever" In fact all the scriptures quoted in,dare I say, "defense" of your argument state quite clearly that believers should "stand firm" in their faith.Not rant,rave or get the helling!! If however you do feel that you are being pesecuted then perhaps you could look at the scripture quoted by Porks, ".........when you are persecuted in one place,flee to another and spread my word" Your faith is YOUR faith, don't defend it,simply because it is a faith. IE belief despite doubt,and keep it off a public cycling forum to avoid getting questioned and upset by opposing veiws. There should not be blasphemous statements or your Lords name used in vain on the hub.this any reasonable person accepts.I do not however think that the hub is a place to "spread the word" of our own individual faiths.

Widget, "God is all powerfull,why does he require your defense....sinner widget" This is what has upset you.You now are on about getting upset and offending your father. What part of this statement is offensive to your God?? On what do you base this alleged offence?? I put it to you that YOU have chosen to get offended. Now stop being un reasonable and posting YOUR faith on the hub. Where in Christian doctrine does it require you to "defend" GOD?? Practice what is taught bru... Justice,peace, love, charity,forgiveness and stop talking for all christians.Who gave you the mandate?

Widgets quote ""Read some of the posts, they are downright blasphemous, I will not stand around and accept that, as is your comment - "God is all powerful, why does He require your defense...sinner Widget????" - do you think that kind of comment is responsible? do you not think its offensive to me and other Christians??Should we just sit back and accept it?? I will not.!! You cannot say things like that and not inflame emotions, I say again, I will defend my religion and my God and if it leads to inflamed posts - So be it!! -""End quote Oh sorry so according to you, God is not all powerful or perfect ,you are!!???? I was pointing out that God is perfection and does not need the defense of a mere mortal sinner such as Widget or any other person/Christian.How posing a question is irresponsible....Such as why you feel it neccesary to defend God?? .....I will never know Don't get offended Widget anwer the questions. Defend your faith, sorry you have now called it your religion and your God( obviously you don't seem to think he just may be mine aswell!!???) I do not intend to persecute God Widget. But I am looking forward to you actually defending your faith and not just ranting on about being persecuted and hard done by. And if you continue to rant and rave about your Faith you are going to have to.

Widget, Thats the point mate, you can't defend a faith.You believe it because you believe it despite there being cause for doubt. If there was no doubt you would not have a faith...... just knowledge. The only way to defend a faith is to say I believe it because I believe it, which is excactly what you have done in your post. Nobody is asking or requiring that you deny Christ. Don't know why you're worried about that. God is all powerful, why does He require your defense...sinner Widget???? The point is.... widget these things are best shared by those who share a faith, and/or with those that ask. No reasonable person is going to deny you ,or ridicule, your faith, but what is wrong with questioning your reasoning, if you are going to post issues of faith( stuff you believe despite doubt), on the hub. I'm fine with the experiences shared by some hubbers on how God touched their lives, its nice to hear more about the "personalities" here on the hub, and I believe inspirational tom some to think about their faith and Christianity. But leave the rhetoric.It is a never ending "cos it is, cos I believe it" and "How dare you....... my faith", and doesn't make Christianity look very tolerant or good IMHO When you post something that you believe, despite doubt,don't get upset when that doubt is questioned even if you have called it your faith.

Excactly Slowbee. As Kona stated, faith is belief despite doubt. It is YOUR faith.Yours, despite all doubts!!!!! So wouldn't it be a good idea to keep ones faith to oneself, ( as your avatar rightly states).Because these Christian statements/arguments are just that, a Faith,that which Christians believe despite all the doubt, and controversy Which must and will on a public cycling forum(which attracts all faiths and others) lead to opposing veiws and it seems heated argument and folk (usually the Christians) getting upset? Your faith is your faith,(despite the doubt). Hubbers shouldn't expect others to not question that doubt when posting "christian statements"on the hub.Formerly known as easy rider2008-07-11 16:58:57

I'll have a bite at this one! Quote Porky "You misinterpret the whole debate Rogz or maybe you just wanted to be controversial.?" cut Perhaps its the "Christian" argument thats controversial? "Christians believe that your life IS mapped out for you, because God has planned good things for all his followers, YOU dont know what that map is, but God dos." cut Would this mapping out your life and the good things planned for Gods' followers include the battery and rape of an 8 month old baby and all the other terrible things that happen to innocent and good people??? "However, here on earth, we have free will to follow Gods map or follow Satans map. If you believe in God as your father and creator, you will follow his map and his plan will come to pass. If you dont, well, Satans plan may come to pass." cut It is a well known fact, that according to Gods' laws, no man is free from sin.We all accept that it is impossible to be free from sin.As soon as you have emotions you are going to become a sinner. If the God of the bible is the all knowing, all powerful creator, he must have known what he was doing when he created us. IE> that we were going to sin etc.In fact if God created everything he created evil, satan aswell.It does say in the bible that God is the creater of good and evil!!!! We are told in the bible that bad sh*t started happening to man when he got into the fruit of a particular tree!!! Well if God is in control of everything, He must have known that that was bound to happen or is God not in control,and you have as you say free will??to do the evil he created and apparently knew(if he is all powerfull, omni present, omni science and omni everything??), that you were going to do anyway, Hey he created you!!! So, we believe as christians when we go around making plans and spinning wheels,its not us, its God working THROUGH us and putting his plan into action by opening doors we need to walk through and closing those we dont. As for the snide remark about killing yourself, well if you were a christian you would know that suicide is against the will of God, and anything against the will of God is from Satan. God put you here and you remain here, because he wants you to be here, to do something for him, or he wants to do something through you, when its time he will call you home (his plan) but, only God, has that right to call you home." End of porky's quote As stated this is pretty controversial stuff Porky. It seems to me that we may just be, according to the Christians, some very,very cruel experiment. Look at what you are saying.::: God creates us with a plan. We cannot be free from sin or evil,(the evil he created),satan tempts us and is responsible for all the bad sh*t that happens,(God created everything including old nick!!) Christians tell us that then God,because he loves us so, sent his only son to become man and die for our sins(the evil we fell into that He claims to have created) Not having a go at you Porks, just try to understand that some of us read the bible and ask different questions,hopefully you can clear mine up for me. As KonaFan has stated, the old Christian "simplicity" is seen by some as controversial

As in Agents' story, it would appear better to steel the beer and burn down the bar for the "have nots". In a society where the justice system is failing to work and the majority of the populations expectations are not being met. Because if we steel the beer and burn down the bar; We may get caught by the police. May! We then might get charged, and if the docket is not lost etc We might go to court, we then ,if there is enough evidence might get found guilty, and if the court decides we may recieve a sentence,in which case we may have f.....all beer to drink in anyway Reckon we should take our chances? Who needs the rich? Not the poor! A sobering question Jabba

Sorry correct spelling...... pahleement!

Brilliant........ and simply put, but sadly too complicated for parliment

H, I figured as much. This Aussie sign as in the ride mag really gets the message across. Since it takes 5 guys from the provincial roads dept 4 days to dig 3 wheel barrows of sand from a culvit, I was figuring that if I put the signs up, it would take them a few years to take off!! The problem being if a who haa takes place and the local press make a big deal of it and the signs are removed,I'm worried that this would lead to motorists being further convinced that cyclists have no right to be on the road. Was wondering if I should have a go at putting up those correx board posters along the road.Problem is the local kids use them to make stuff out of.

Sadly,cyclists being "taken out" by motorists seem to have become a daily occurence lately. For the past few months I have been facilitating training rides, both in the morning and afternoon on the same route.Kremetart riders know the road, the Vivo/Louis Trichardt road. I drive behind the last rider with hazard lights on. The other day a taxi stopped me and asked how fast these bicycles go as he had clocked them at 60kmph he said(he seemed very impressed). He was very pleasant and asked all about the training, bikes, etc. The shocker came as he was leaving when he said to me that it is a good idea for me to drive behind the riders because if I was not there they would have to get off the road for the cars. I told the guy that bicycles were allowed on the road. He assured me that they were not and had to pull off when cars came!!!!! Now with this kind of ignorance it is little wonder that cyclists are being killed at the rate they are.I am not singling out taxi drivers here, in fact the taxi guys are very pleasant and patient, and have become fans,they wave and hoot and always wait till it is safe to pass. It has been the "boere" in the bakkies that rant and rave and wave their fist at us on these rides(especially after the bulls lose!!!!) My point here is how to educate motorists. There are bicycle signs on this road.This road is a well used training route by riders in Louis Trichardt. I saw a pic of an Aussie sign in the March Ride mag of "share the road" with a rider on his bike and a car next to him.(maybe someone could scan and paste it for us) How do I get permission to erect signs such as these on the route,hell it would go a long way to creating awareness of a cyclists rights. Your advice please, I don't want to spend my life driving behind riders to keep them alive!!!

Good on you Void 2. What a marvelous experience for these guys. Please get them to post their race reports and experiences on the hub.Many of us would like to hear how they get on and learn more about the overseas cycling scene. 3 weeks of mid year school versus an overseas cycling hol.mmmmm tough decision if you're a mother grundy thats into mediocrity and "the right thing to do"vs a life well lived.

We Wanted to time a small race in limpopo in april this year. Got a quote from CC that worked out to about R68.00 per rider(calculated on a 120 rider entry)When I told CC that the price was too high,they told me that I could apply for sponsorship,and if granted would recieve a substantial price cut. Looking at CC's prices from the previous year,it appeared to me that this was a "new pricing" strategy as the price increase was hefty,and we are not a charity that needs help!. Anyway we decided to hand time the race with a video camera as back up,and up the prize money by R8000.00. nobody seemed to mind,we had a lot of fun,a few hassles, but all turned out well. I reckon that with 2 video camera's (one from the back getting numbers,one from the side on the line),and a few students who have slept the night before,the system will work just fine for races up to a few hundred.Ideal for Limpopo. CC have priced themselves out of our market,which is sad as their service has always been very good. hey neccesity is the mother of invention,or in our case "maak n plan"

H I'll start again using the Sheldon Brown link you gave me. But I have measured the chain it is stretched( unless its an odd chain???)