Gave my WTB saddle away after getting a Ryder Force saddle; it is very durable with a slick cover that does not wear your bibs out as the WTB did; the Force will wear you out before you wear it out; on long bike packing rides it may feel a bit hard because of the thin padding however, thicker padding and certain cover fabrics seem to encourage chafing spots; so, me will rather feel a bit saddle sore but, recover quickly than be chafed which takes a few days to heal; for the price it is by far the best.