Just Simba

Big difference is that there wasn't any cash in my account to confirm. Money talks, and I had R75k invested

I agreed to R125k, just before asking for banking details. It's there, in the convo

I get that, but 3 days later there was still "no funds"

Thanks mate, learnt a lot in the last week I am glad that I could be the source of some light entertainment Do you have 2 x treks for sale by any chance hahahahaha

Not a bad idea...

Whats a couple hundred K to Cape Epic enthusiasts

Absolutely agree, thats why I didnt send proof of payment. His own bank sent him the notification of funds received His bank and my bank confirmed that the transaction was processed on Friday I called both banks on Monday to confirm

The account number in the screen grab is mine, I decided to hide it And the reference is the sellers name, decided to hide that too. I thought it was sufficient

No ways?! Really?

You're right, moving on How do I delete this thread?

I thought that it was a possibility that the fault was with STD, thats why I called both banks to confirm

If you read the convo you will see the that he received a notification from his bank that the payment was made

Personally, I dont see the point in sending PoP if I just express paid R75k into your account. I mean, you can see it, the money is there. But I see the point you are trying to make. Besides, I got my money back, so that would suggest that it was received, right?

Yeah, I don't usually start a conversation with "I buy and sell for spare change" Some people hate resellers, I know you do

Thanks man, I have never had an issue with express clearance before and both FNB and STD confirmed that the transaction was successful on Friday

Correct, that was my assumption as he said that he has a guy viewing the Top Fuel on Monday after I paid the deposit on Friday already

I hope that the copy of the conversation shows that the communication was clear and that the payment terms were discussed and accepted. Similar to the refund coming in 2 payments due to daily limits

2021/09/10, 13:30 - Messages and calls are end-to-end encrypted. No one outside of this chat, not even WhatsApp, can read or listen to them. Tap to learn more. 2021/09/10, 13:30 - Simba: Good afternoon 2021/09/10, 13:30 - Simba: I see you have 2 bikes that I'd like to be mine 2021/09/10, 13:31 - Simba: Any chance you'll take 100k for both? 2021/09/10, 13:33 - Wade: Norrafok 2021/09/10, 13:33 - Simba: ???? 2021/09/10, 13:35 - Wade: <Media omitted> 2021/09/10, 13:48 - Simba: Ok thanks. 110k was my max 2021/09/10, 13:54 - Wade: R130 and they are both yours... 2021/09/10, 13:55 - Wade: And I will throw in the power meter 2021/09/10, 13:56 - Simba: I can try get to 120k incl power meter. 2021/09/10, 13:57 - Simba: But ill need a few mins 2021/09/10, 14:03 - Wade: R125 k including power meter 2021/09/10, 14:04 - Simba: I'm as tight as I could possibly go hey 2021/09/10, 14:04 - Wade: I have lots of interest in the bikes separately... 2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: I will probably get R70 + R60 + R8 k 2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: In the interests of a quick sale will do R125 k 2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: Let me know 2021/09/10, 14:05 - Simba: I hear you. But I'm maxed out. Hands are tied. Ite a pitty though 2021/09/10, 14:06 - Simba: But I hear you ???????? 2021/09/10, 14:06 - Simba: I can't twist your arm? 2021/09/10, 14:13 - Simba: Ok I'm good for 120k. Just need you to accept. 2021/09/10, 14:17 - Wade: Nope, sorry... 2021/09/10, 14:17 - Wade: Appreciate the offer... 2021/09/10, 14:18 - Simba: Ok. No problem. 2021/09/10, 14:19 - Simba: I'm working on something. Give me a few more mins 2021/09/10, 14:32 - Simba: I'm good to go 2021/09/10, 14:32 - Simba: Banking details? 2021/09/10, 14:33 - Wade: STANDARD BANK CHEQUE ACCOUNT XXXXXXX 2021/09/10, 14:33 - Wade: Capt W Gomes 2021/09/10, 14:35 - Simba: Can I do 50k today , 50k tomorrow and 25k the day after? 2021/09/10, 14:36 - Wade: Sure, will hand over the bikes when everything is showing in the bank 2021/09/10, 14:36 - Simba: Perfect 2021/09/10, 14:38 - Simba: And to confirm. This is including power meter correct 2021/09/10, 14:39 - Wade: It's currently installed on the Top Fuel. I will leave it on the bike 2021/09/10, 14:39 - Simba: Cool 2021/09/10, 14:41 - Simba: A 75k express payment has been made. You should have it in 15 min or so 2021/09/10, 14:47 - Wade: Thanks 2021/09/11, 08:28 - Simba: Hi. Did you receive payment? 2021/09/11, 08:38 - Simba: The R75k I mean ???????? 2021/09/11, 11:06 - Simba: Hey are you there? Need to know that the money went to the right account ???? 2021/09/11, 12:52 - Wade: I got the notification but there are no funds reflecting yet 2021/09/11, 13:15 - Simba: Strange, I didn't send a notification, and I express cleared ???? 2021/09/11, 13:16 - Simba: Please let me know when it clears so the balance can be paid. What does the notification look like that you recieved? 2021/09/11, 13:25 - Wade: <Media omitted> 2021/09/11, 13:29 - Simba: Cool. Chat Monday ( hopefully sooner). Have a lekker weekend. 2021/09/11, 13:30 - Wade: Where are you based for bike delivery? 2021/09/11, 13:34 - Simba: Would you please be able to drop them at XXXXXX for me. 2021/09/13, 07:00 - Simba: Good morning. Is the cash in? The remaining 50k will be sent today. Also instant. 2021/09/13, 07:04 - Wade: Morning. No money in my account. Please don't send the other R50 k 2021/09/13, 07:06 - Wade: Will speak to my private banker today and revert. 2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: That simply is not possible. My bank had already confirmed payment on Friday 2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: This is very worrying 2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: Is this normal for stb? 2021/09/13, 07:09 - Wade: I have someone coming ro look at the Top Fuel today. If he takes the bike, then you can decide if you want the Supercaliber or I will refund you. 2021/09/13, 07:18 - Simba: I have just called my bank and they confirm that the payment was cleared on Friday So firstly I am not happy that your are going back on your word And secondly, why won't you admit that my money is in your account? Unless you are making excuses to justify going back on our agreement? I'd like the deal to stay in place. Let me know when the R75 000 is in, and the rest will follow. 2021/09/13, 07:19 - Wade: Send me your bank detail, so I can refund you. 2021/09/13, 07:20 - Simba: So you have the money then? 2021/09/13, 07:20 - Wade: What does this say... 2021/09/13, 07:21 - Simba: Will forward details now now 2021/09/13, 07:21 - Wade: I will phone my Private Banker after 08h30. 2021/09/13, 07:22 - Wade: I dont even know your name, where you are or anything. 2021/09/13, 07:24 - Wade: If the money comes into my account today, which it should do if you sent it, then we decided what the way forward is. 2021/09/13, 07:24 - Wade: But right now, I have nothing and you coukd be a scammer. 2021/09/13, 07:29 - Simba: I would never expect you to let the bikes leave your hands until the money is safely with you. 2021/09/13, 07:37 - Simba: I suspect I know what's going on here. You feel like you could be being scammed, and I now too believe that I could be being scammed. ???? because I'm 99.9999% sure the money is in your account. And you just want to make sure it's legit. If that's the case, I don't mind you making sure. I don't think I'm being scammed, it's just that I know it should be in your account and you saying it's not. Which makes me worried because 75k is a lot of money lol. Here my details. My name is Nicholas Moolman. You can verify that on Facebook. I am from PE. (That's why I need the bikes taken to a bike shop) once you have all the cash, you can drop them off at XXXXXXX with XXXXX. He can confirm who I am. I buy and sell as a hobby. Does this ease your mind? 2021/09/13, 08:14 - Wade: I am an honest businessman, been around for years and years... I been on FB for years, Bike Hub and LinkedIn. I am not going to steal your R75 k 2021/09/13, 08:15 - Simba: Thank you. And I should hope the same applies to not backing out of our deal. But I get the feeling you not that type of businessman ???????????????? 2021/09/13, 08:15 - Simba: So let me know when you are comfortable with the R75k and the rest will follow. 2021/09/13, 10:22 - Simba: Paying the remaining 50k now 2021/09/13, 10:22 - Wade: Please dont... 2021/09/13, 10:22 - Simba: I don't understand...... 2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: Send me your bank details, I will refund you are money. It should be in my account by 11h00 2021/09/13, 10:26 - Simba: I don't follow though. What's gone wrong? 2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: Thanks... 2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: I dont want to do business with you thanks. 2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: What do you mean? Isn't that irrelevant? We have an agreement ????????♂️ 2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: FNB Cheque Account Account Number XXXXXXXXX Branch 250655 2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: It must please reflect immediately. 2021/09/13, 10:28 - Wade: Thanks, will send you an immediate payment as soon as it reflects. 2021/09/13, 10:31 - Simba: ???????? 2021/09/13, 11:31 - Simba: Is it in? 2021/09/13, 12:24 - Wade: <Media omitted> 2021/09/13, 12:27 - Simba: ???????? 2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: I have sent you R50 k which is my daily limit 2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: You will receive the rest tomorrow... 2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: You should also have received an sms 2021/09/13, 14:29 - Wade: Apologies that I can't send it all in one go... 2021/09/13, 14:35 - Simba: ???????? 2021/09/13, 14:45 - Simba: Did you do an immediate payment? 2021/09/13, 14:45 - Wade: Yup 2021/09/13, 14:46 - Simba: Ok 2021/09/13, 14:46 - Wade: <Media omitted> 2021/09/13, 14:47 - Simba: ???????? 2021/09/13, 14:47 - Wade: <Media omitted> 2021/09/14, 08:09 - Wade: Do you want to buy the Supercaliber? 2021/09/14, 08:16 - Simba: How much 2021/09/14, 08:16 - Wade: It cost me R79 k... but, I want to get rid of it. 2021/09/14, 08:17 - Simba: I'll offer R55 500 2021/09/14, 08:17 - Wade: I will send you the R25 k 2021/09/14, 08:17 - Wade: Cherrs 2021/09/14, 08:20 - Simba: Yes, please do 2021/09/14, 08:24 - Simba: Please confirm once sent 2021/09/14, 11:42 - Simba: When will you send it? 2021/09/14, 14:36 - Simba: Was it immediate ? 2021/09/14, 17:45 - Simba: ? 2021/09/14, 17:50 - Wade: Standard Bank: R25000.00 paid from Acc. 9838 to XXXXXXX. 2021-09-14 Query? 0860123107. 2021/09/14, 17:50 - Wade: Did you receive the R50 k? 2021/09/14, 17:55 - Simba: Yes 2021/09/14, 17:57 - Wade: Not sure why you haven't received the R25 k 2021/09/14, 17:57 - Wade: Let me see if I can get hold of my personal banker 2021/09/14, 18:05 - Simba: Thanks 2021/09/15, 08:21 - Simba: Please send me the actuall proof of payment so I can follow up 2021/09/15, 09:00 - Wade: Will do. Not at home at the moment, give me 30 to 40 mins 2021/09/15, 09:00 - Wade: I can assure you it was sent 2021/09/15, 09:00 - Simba: ???????? 2021/09/15, 09:01 - Simba: You also assured me we had a deal. And that didn't happen. 2021/09/15, 09:01 - Simba: So forgive me if I can't take you for your word 2021/09/15, 09:01 - Wade: Yes, then found out who you are... 2021/09/15, 09:02 - Simba: Way before that, you went back on your word. You got a better offer, and needed to find out a way to get out of the deal. So you attacked my character instead of being honest with me 2021/09/15, 09:05 - Wade: I still have the bikes... so don't come with your ***. Why would I send you the R50 k and not the rest. 2021/09/15, 09:05 - Simba: I don't believe you would not send it. 2021/09/15, 09:08 - Simba: You probably still have the bikes because the higher offer you thought you had fell through. Of course, I am only speculating. All I know now, is I want my 25k back asap. Not sure why you didn't do a pay and clear. 2021/09/15, 09:09 - Wade: <Media omitted> 2021/09/15, 09:10 - Wade: Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups mate 2021/09/15, 09:10 - Simba: Not always. Not always..... 2021/09/15, 09:10 - Simba: Thank you 2021/09/15, 09:10 - Wade: Cheers 2021/09/15, 09:19 - Simba: I wish you the best. 2021/09/15, 10:06 - Simba: Can you please forward the original document to me. 2021/09/15, 10:12 - Simba: I'm looking for the document. Not the screenshot. I don't want to hear what your banker has to say. I'd like the document. Why won't you just forward that to me? 2021/09/15, 10:13 - Wade: I am going to block you now... because you becoming an arsehole. You have been paid. 2021/09/15, 10:14 - Simba: All I'm asking for is the proof. How is that me being an asshole? Are you attaching my character again? 2021/09/15, 10:14 - Simba: Attacking 2021/09/15, 10:15 - Wade: Send me your ******* email address 2021/09/15, 10:15 - Simba: Hold up! Why are you becoming so aggressive??? 2021/09/15, 10:15 - Wade: Send me your email address !!! 2021/09/15, 10:16 - Wade: Because you are calling me a liar... 2021/09/15, 10:16 - Simba: Not calling you a lier. I'm asking for the document for my records. 2021/09/15, 10:16 - Simba: Please forward it here so its all in one place. 2021/09/15, 10:17 - Wade: SEND ME YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS 2021/09/15, 10:32 - Simba: xxxxx@xxxx.co.za 2021/09/15, 10:38 - Wade: Sent 2021/09/15, 10:39 - Simba: Thank you

The payment was immediate, both FNB and STD confirmed on Friday that the payment was processed. I assume that you lied about this to buy yourself time to potentially close a deal on the Top Fuel. R75k is my daily limit, yes, I didnt send proof of payment because money talks and an sms or pdf can be faked. I didnt hustle you, I made you an offer that you accepted "in the interest of a quick sale" - Your words I have a full transcript of the conversation if you would like me to post it here, it should clarify everything

Thanks, I have read through Nico's thread and came to the conclusion that our scenarios have no similarities. 3 main reasons for my conclusion: 1) I made a fair offer without any T's an C's and the offer was accepted 2) I committed completely by asking for bank details and we agreed on terms of payment 3) I put my money where my mouth is to the tune of 75 THOUSAND RAND Please dont compare my situation to Nico's

This happened to you, after paying a deposit? I can't imagine it's common

Top fuel Power Meter Supercaliber

He told me that he got a better offer on the 2 other items, but that I can still have the 1 item if I'm interested

What are the rules surrounding public naming and shaming?