If the goal is FR/AM type riding' date=' then the Teocali for sure. BUT, for a beginner a hardtail may be better to learn on. If you can do the technical stuff on a hardtail properly first, you'll be much better off. [/quote'] The Teocali is 'All Mountain'. NOT 'FR/Freeride. I think guys are constantly getting these two terms confused. I for one wouldnt like to take a burly 2 meter drop off on a Teocali. The entire bike is specc'd for as an AM bike, from the Pike/Fox forks to the MC rear shock. Habib, it's a pity you didnt buy that Teocali. It would have been a really good starting point. The myth that it's better to start out on a hardtail to "learn on" is just that, a myth, and I for one wish that Mythbusters would do an episode on this. Bike skills are bike skills, comfort is all you'll be without now. A full-suss bike has got much more traction on hills, your center of gravity is lower as you tend to sit a LOT more. The Teocali would have given you a good base to build from, as it's light enough to take on hills, strong enough to do moderate drops, burly rock gardens, sling it onto your back and portage it, technical singletracks, the lot. It's always the problem with forums, you'd have been better off reading the reviews on both bikes in www.mtbr.com (and I know I'm being a hypocrite by saying this, but feel I have a valid opinion since I own the bike you asked about) Good Morning bustthesickness I absolutly and totally appreciate everyones opinions and you are very right in saying asking a question like this on a forum is also not the best thing to do as everyone has such vast & different opinions. I did also look into the revies section and well to be honest you get a similar results out of that, I say this due to the fact on the reviews section you still have the guys who really like the product and there are the other guys who really dont. I did get to take the whole review thing one step further though, and did not base my entire decision on the forums the way I did it I was lucky enough to get the oppertunity to ride a soft tail and a hard tail on a course with single track technical some decent accents and really fun decents (not sure if you know of the tracks at Rietvlei Zoo Farm) And this is where I finally made my decission the ride on the soft tail was absolulty amaizing it was so smooth and well very very easy to forget you traveling at high speed on a rocky decending terrain. and for me that was the big thing I relly enjoyed the way the hardtail threw me around i like the mission to have to fight the bike to stay on track just makes for a more exciting ride for ME. Other then that I have also now got really good components and shocks etc... so in 1 year from now if I am propper bored with the hard tail I can look at buying a decent soft tail frame and put my components on. I hope you see my opinion on why I went the way I did. either way the ride for me was fun. Habib