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Do you know why we trail runners also prefer Tokai? Because it is safer regarding muggings happening all over and the awesome view!! But there is so much dispute between ATHLETES that want to do their sport in a safe environment among other athletes. They say that there is strength in groups? With you lot, that statement is bull crap because you all want to fight with each other and bad mouth runners vs cyclists and who has the right to use the Mountain that is there for everyone. So what if the trail runners don't pay? Do you see hundreds of trail runners on Tokai mountain or do you see a few and by that I mean like one or two compared to the many MTB riders - i stand corrected. You guys complain about the fee of that we don't pay.. Who does more damage to the trails? The runner that prefers to jump over the branch roots and prefers to run among the rocks or the MTB'er that rides through the branch roots and rides through anything else for that matter? Many trail runners also start at constantia nek and I doubt that there is a permit structure there and yes they end up running through tokai from the Mast. But regarding payment (runner starting from Tokai) if a trail runner comes early and no one is at the payment point then you expect us to wait till thy kingdom come for the staff? Does the MTB'er wait till thy kingdom come because I have seen many MTB'ers don't wait and in result in not paying so what's the dispute on that topic? Are you telling me that every single MTB'er that uses the trails pays? Every single MTB'er to the every fibre in his or her existance? But heaven forbid the trail runner that doesn't pay!! When someone gets attacked on a trail by a mugger then everybody says "hope you get better" or something else to that effect. So there is unity in that respect. When shiz happens then there is unity. But when athletes train together using the same environment or mountain then its Mortal Kombat and Unity gets thrown out the window!? I give way to all MTB'ers on the trail when I'm running and I noticed that when I greet people then you MTBers don't want to greet back (same greeting attitudes like the roadies) but if I MTB then its greeting season!! There is no mutual respect among certain MTB'ers towards trail runners and trust me respect goes a long way. And trust me when I say this: this topic will go on like the 26er vs the 29er -> never-ending story of bullshiz and time wasting. btw: i respect MTB'ers and trail runners coz we appreciate our sport.

im a trail runner (due to a cycling injury) and i pay but i stay off the single tracks.. dont want another injury, but i respect all the cyclists that pass me, greet them and give way to them as i myself am a MTBer as well.. but should i come early and there is no one at the pay point then duh no one pays

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Hi there, anyone want join me on sat or sun mornings for a road cycle - i cycle alone at the moment or is there a group that i can possibly join with to cycle. I am in the Athlone area. Pop me an email if interested: soldierkearns@gmail.com or soldierkearns@mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za Thanks

to be closer to my cycling brothers and to drop other cyclist as you speed past them - AND stay ahead of them !!