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I'd say any parallel drawn with The Tipping Point is a compliment. My banging about Momsen started the first time I owned one.
Is Morewood also not local cause the have frames and tubes are made in the east? What about Pyga? Of all those mentioned Silverback is the least "local" brand. But I suppose by your logic Ibis isn't American, Turner wasn't American till recently, Pinarello isn't Italian...tehir all just Eastern brands I suppose.
Have you noticed what Momsen has done and is doing for local talent? That alone doesn't make you appreciate the effort, time and money being spend?
When I build my Ibis I only bought brands who have local support and dealer network. Just how I'm wired.
A local brand would be designed/manufactured in the local country.
All the brands you mentioned are international, who has a problem with that?
You are trying to deflect the point of my post and that is you are trying to influence the market for a brand as in the example from Malcolm Gladwell's books, a common marketing strategy in the electonic age.
As far as supporting local talent goes, all brands do that to a degree, it's called advertising. If they got no exposure for it they wouldn't do it.
Cause I'm a fan and supporter of local? Am I Morewood's Maven for having started several threads about them and have owned 3 of their bikes?
Thanks for the compliment anyway.
Momsen is as local as Swift/Silverback is (run by South Africans). And no it's not a compliment. You started banging on about Momsen Bikes about the same time Victor stopped his activity on The Hub.
Seriously Crow, you are Victor's Hush Puppies Guy. It's a little too obvoious.
Ok.. So an 'engineer' would be rolling around? Really? And what do you think I do oh pearl of wisdom?
Look, epoxy and weave in carbon can be manipulated and woven to distribute flex in certain ways and accept some lag. The problem is most carbon geared frames arent designed for the severe amount of CONSTANT lateral flex.
On a geared bike you are out of the saddle seldom and you flip between your ratios for an even distribution of power/effort. On a SS you are out the saddle pulling the handlebars just to get you pedal stroke through 360. Wide or wriggly bars on a SS are commonplace as this allows more pull through the arms at less effort on those punchy climbs where you cadence slows down to nothing.
NINER make the AIR, cool. I had one and I broke it. Not from a crash or from an accident. The chainstay cracked in a puff of disaster on a big ass hill. Not all will do this I am sure as most people probably dont ride their SS in every race, over the Alps, across South Africa etc.... But a Mountain bike cant be wrapped in cardboard surely, even if it is 'my preciousssssss' carbon.
So like I said, enjoy what you will, ride what you want to. But when the BB starts emitting a sound similar to kindling at the birth of a new fire or your chainstay decides to crack, dont say you havent been warned.
Eldron, carbon is definitely frame specific as it will be influenced by how the weave was patterned before the epoxy was pulled through. But like most of you should know, carbon frames/forks have a limited time/km warranty which is due to the material and the stress being put through the frame. Couple this with the rigours of pulling/fighting the bike up hills constantly and it accellerated the process.
So basically due to the nature of the materials, Hooks' Law sits at a far lower level with carbon than steel and flex is essential to stop fatigue and the stays becoming brittle over time.
If you can see what im talking about, cool. If you cant then the answer is orange, I will forever be wrong in your eyes and wont justify this any further.
Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions but rule of thumb (funny if anyone remember the opening scene to Boondock Saints) says that experience is often the best teacher and if you look at most SS merchants, they ride steel. It is not coincidence, we could argue this for 600 years but just go ride, go explore, go and try out your carbon track frame etc and after 6 or 7 years come back to this topic.
Yes, like the brake threads and the riding style threads we can all log on and belittle or argue with people but just be aware that their OPINION and their input is often the culmination of years of experimentation and trial.
Engineers rolling around laughing? I scorn you without really taking offence.............
Like I said, an F1 carbon engineer (or any properly qualified carbon engineer for that matter) would still be rolling around the aisles. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but it is an opinion and your opinion is dangerously misleading and misinforming. Like they say, a little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all.
Here are some pictures of F1 carbon gearboxes and the winning Audi from Lemans. These are structural members of the chassis and handle 800 plus horsepower plus all the suspension and brake loadings.
By contrast a human being average 0.25 to 0.30 horse power with short burst for trained high level athletes reaching 600 plus watts or 0.80 horsepower. Some sprinters get close to ONE horse power (746 watts)
Please preface your opinions by saying something like “I believe” or “In my opinion” so punters know it is your opinion not irrefutable fact.
Oh, and before you bamboozle people with things like Hooks Law, take a look at what Hooks Law is all about on Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia....Hooke's_law
And right at the top of the article: “Hookes's law is only a first order linear approximation to the real response of springs and other elastic bodies to applied forces…
HTC rider, power output? dont know but he still rides carbon:
Chris Hoy, bench pressing 631kgs, rode carbon bikes:
ok... A carbon SS is a recipe for disaster....
The tension put through the chain stays and the BB is far more than a geared bike. This causes stress, which in time causes the fibres to rub, which causes failure and potential death... (dramatic but you get what I mean)
Also, the severe lack of lateral flex makes the bike very twitchy on those big effort climbs where you are out of your saddle fighting the bike just to turn the pedals.. (see above strees point)
Steel gives you whip and a bounce and doesnt fight you.... Comfort and ease are paramount in a SS especially if you want to use it often and/or race/spend long days riding on it.
I have tried all matter of material for my SS frames and go back to steel every time.
PM me your budget and or specs and I can help you out. I have a store full of SS gems.
I even have some ecccentric axel real hubs so you can run a regular dropout bike SS without a tensioner.
Ok, everyone is entitiled to an opion and I'm sure you know your stuff, but come on that is just plain rubbish!
If a F1 engineer read what you just wrote he would still be rolling around on the ground laughing his head off.
http://drerowery.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DSF0374.jpeg
http://www.cyclingne...nti-doping-test
"The RadioShack-Leopard team has reacted angrily to the reports in the Spanish media, saying that Horner updated his whereabouts information before the start of Sunday's final stage, specifying he would stay in a different hotel. It seems that Horner opted to stay in another hotel in central Madrid with his wife rather than stay in the hotel with the rest of the team. The team say Horner specified the name of hotel and even his room number when he updated his ADAMS information.
The team suggested the Spanish anti-doping inspectors failed to use latest ADAMS whereabouts information and went to the wrong hotel rather than Horner missing an out of competition test.
“There is no problem. The USADA went to the wrong hotel. They went to the team hotel but he is in another hotel. He had mentioned this in his ADAMS. They should do their administration more correctly than they did. They need to check their whereabouts too,” press spokesman Philippe Maertens told Cyclingnews."
When top pros are crashing and braking bones on an uci XCO course which happened last year as well, you know that the course is wrong. Stop pandering to the uci and their lust for ratings.
Kids and their parents are looking twice at XC now due to the nature of these uci XCO courses. Novamesto was another example of this kind of course.
When the pros are saying that as soon as dropper posts are light enough they will get one you know something is wrong.
When I say they are local its more along the lines of the principle members being local and literally a phonecall away. For me TWO wheels trading is local as myself and them are in Port Elizabeth. Not disputing that the manufacturing, along with virtually any other brand, is done in the East.
There goes my belief that they have hed zero failures.
Please share a bit more detail, where the failure was, etc. These Scott failures are bearing related which is mainly on DS bikes it seems, common HT failure would be seattube and could be as a result of the seatpost not being in deep enough.
Here's a broken Momsen HT frame, photo was originally posted by someone on the Momsen Facebook page. It's not there anymore funnily enough:
Also cracked carbon Momsens mentioned here: http://www.thehubsa....n-sl729-r-type/
IBIS
IBIS, that's the one! Also distributed by Two Wheels Trading (Victor) - interesting.
Another thing that has been brought up here which is wrong is Momsen's R&D The alloy frames are straight from the Kinesis OEM catalogue (downloaded size is 41mb, look at pages 13 & 17) The carbon frames are OEM as well, you can change a few options but you can't change the angles for instance otherwise you need to open a new mould which is very expensive from what I've read. So that's a bit miss-leading as well.
As far as poring big money into local racing goes, guess who's money that really is? When you are paying R5000 more than the other people are charging that's where your money is going, into sponsorship and advertising to sell more bikes to you.
Finally, the 10/4 marketing is a bit miss-leading: the team that got 10th at the Epic wasn't the team that won 4 stages. Two different teams in two different classes. Would that stand up if someone complained to the advertising standards board?
Yeah, that's actually an interesting point Bos. Have you noticed how The Crow has been championing Momsen for a while now? What was the brand he used to push before that, can't remember now?
Brant Richards On Reynolds 520:
Other tubes. All they seem?
On-One frames will not be available in Reynolds 520 tubing at any point. We were offered it by our frame builders a year or so ago, who thought we'd like it.
After a bit of digging, the best we got out of anyone that all Reynolds 520 was, was a sticker, that you paid $5 for, and tubing from a Taiwanese manufacturer, which as far as I could ascertain, was the same as the tubing we were using.
Our framebuilders (we've changed since then) suggested that the Reynolds sticker would be a good selling point for us.
We disagreed.
Got this from FB from Mr. Ray Cox page
Why you shouldn't buy a cheap japanese carbon frame....buy the real deal...this looks like a Dogma replica
Here's a link to a website full of broken carbon, a lot of it is big name brands...
http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FROOCAR29RACE/on-one-carbon-29er-race-frame
"The Frame:
Weighing in at a mere 1315 grams (fully painted) the frame is lighter than most 26 inch models, let alone 29ers..."
If I remember correctly Full Dynamics was one of the few brands that is still made in Italy (100% made)
I have also noticed a large number of catalog bikes being rebranded and trying to get sold for alot more than than what the catalog price is.
I guess the question is how "Brand" loyal people are. Seems like people would rather spend the extra money on a well known brand for a bike/frame than on a less known brand with the same quality frame/bike.
I was a Spez guy through and through, thought other brands quality etc were inferior so never even looked at other brands untill looking for A 29er. when I could not get a Spez due to stock not being available I looked at Niner and was so impressed I got one and have a second on the way.
Here's the Full Dynamix from the latest Tread mag:
yip
they are available in Frame, Fork (Rock Shox REBA RLT), headset.. not sure exact retail price but it is somewhere around R15,000.00. frame alone weights 1090g
I don't think your frame weight is correct. The unpainted frame was 1139 grams (picture from Momsenbikes.com) paint and clear coat will add at least 100 grams and in fact on the Momsen Facebook page it says around 1300 grams: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=135482446509493&set=a.132895586768179.20901.116359905088414&type=1&theater
they are available in Frame, Fork (Rock Shox REBA RLT), headset.. not sure exact retail price but it is somewhere around R15,000.00. frame alone weights 1090g 
The Empire Strikes Back: Specialized Sues A Bike Shop Over Name
in The Bike Room
Posted
From Bike Rumour:
Cafe Roubaix Bicycles is a small bike shop located in historic downtown Cochrane, Alberta. Like many shops, it got it’s start in a garage. Where owner Dan Richter had been building high end custom wheels for friends and local racers.
A twenty year veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces, starting Cafe Roubaix Bicycle Studio, was a culmination of a life long passion and a great way to force himself to meet new people. His military career, after stints in Afghanistan and elsewhere, was brought to an end due to post traumatic stress disorder.
His shop, which opened in March, is located perfectly above an ice cream shop caters to road cyclist. It’s named after the famous 117 year old Paris-Roubaix race, because Dan wants every client to “roll away experiencing the same level of service and attention that every European professional demands from team mechanics, coaches, and equipment providers.”
The problem is….
Specialized Bicycles is requesting Cafe Roubaix Bicycles change it’s name or else they’ll huff and they’ll puff and they’ll sue due to trademark infringement. While Dan’s lawyer claims he has a case, since the name is an icon of bike culture, and there are dozens of products with the name e.g. the Fuji Roubaix Road Bike and Challenge Roubaix Tires. But to pursue this case would cost an estimated $150,000, so the small shop must capitulate.
According to Specialized Canada, the company is defending it’s legally owned trademark because it is legally required to defend or lose it.
For Dan, changing his stores name is a lot more than just a sign. It’s about rebuilding a reputation he has carefully cultivated building custom wheels and providing exceptional customer service. You can find directions to Dan’s shop, pick up a jersey, or just learn more about his shop here.
Via Calgary Herald