Dicky DQ Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Damn lots of clashes/almost clashes. Will have to skip some or will need to seriously HTFU. What time is the 300 starting on the 21st Feb? I see it is followed by the Tour de PPA on the Sunday.
PeterM Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Damn lots of clashes/almost clashes. Will have to skip some or will need to seriously HTFU. What time is the 300 starting on the 21st Feb? I see it is followed by the Tour de PPA on the Sunday. 3h00 am from Vrede wine farm
Slowbee Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 sorry for the hijack guys ... will carry things on here:https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/147307-hybrids/
walkerr Posted February 4, 2015 Author Posted February 4, 2015 Damn lots of clashes/almost clashes. Will have to skip some or will need to seriously HTFU. What time is the 300 starting on the 21st Feb? I see it is followed by the Tour de PPA on the Sunday. We had to fix our dates mid-2014 to get them published in the International Audax calendar. It was possible to miss most big rides (DC, Burger, 99er, Argus) but a lot of the other rides hadn't announced their dates then. TBH, we'd probably still have had some clashes - it's a busy time of year. I think most of us aiming at PBP have put our regular road races to the background for this year so we can focus on qualifying.
Grantc Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 We had to fix our dates mid-2014 to get them published in the International Audax calendar. It was possible to miss most big rides (DC, Burger, 99er, Argus) but a lot of the other rides hadn't announced their dates then. TBH, we'd probably still have had some clashes - it's a busy time of year. I think most of us aiming at PBP have put our regular road races to the background for this year so we can focus on qualifying.Rob, out of interest what did you eat on the 400 and the 600. is this LCHF thing working for you?
walkerr Posted February 4, 2015 Author Posted February 4, 2015 Rob, out of interest what did you eat on the 400 and the 600. is this LCHF thing working for you? The LCHF thing is working great ... but ... I am not sticking to it rigidly. My normal weekly eating I try and avoid all wheat, and limit my carbs but not cut them out. When eating out, I do sometimes cheat a bit - especially for a burger. On non-excercise days I'm quite strict 50g to 100g of carbs max, On riding days, especially long rides, I don't stress too much - eat what is available. Over 400 or 600, my body needs fuel and I'd rather not risk running out of fuel because of diet. I'm down about 8kg though and riding stronger than ever, and keeping my carbs low but without being over strict about it seems to really work for how I feel overall. If I go too low on the carbs though, I really notice it on the bike - get sluggish and tired. So for me, the right balance seems to be to add some carbs back when riding. I avoid sugars, breads (mostly) and such though
Dicky DQ Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 The LCHF thing is working great ... but ... I am not sticking to it rigidly. My normal weekly eating I try and avoid all wheat, and limit my carbs but not cut them out. When eating out, I do sometimes cheat a bit - especially for a burger. On non-excercise days I'm quite strict 50g to 100g of carbs max, On riding days, especially long rides, I don't stress too much - eat what is available. Over 400 or 600, my body needs fuel and I'd rather not risk running out of fuel because of diet. I'm down about 8kg though and riding stronger than ever, and keeping my carbs low but without being over strict about it seems to really work for how I feel overall. If I go too low on the carbs though, I really notice it on the bike - get sluggish and tired. So for me, the right balance seems to be to add some carbs back when riding. I avoid sugars, breads (mostly) and such thoughA mate of mine was also on the Banting diet and had a discussion with the Boss, who said, that if you are doing endurance sports you need to up your carbs or you will die. The reason he asked is that that is what he was feeling. So just remember all the guides they give are for Joe Bloggs who is typically sedentary, or at best minimal to intermediately active. If you are doing things out of the ordinary that stresses the system you need to eat, and do other things, differently. You need to find what works for you. On the last 400 we did we were just 2 guys and I fueled on GU every 45 mins, one bottle of Coke and water (50/50) and another bottle of water (to wash down the GU). Then at each stop had a coffee&/or Coke & Pie and crisps (or whatever my palate wanted) and off we went. I did not bonk once but I did feel the legs (I assume you should eventually) When doing extreme, do it different to your daily diet if need be; or not.
Dicky DQ Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 We had to fix our dates mid-2014 to get them published in the International Audax calendar. It was possible to miss most big rides (DC, Burger, 99er, Argus) but a lot of the other rides hadn't announced their dates then. TBH, we'd probably still have had some clashes - it's a busy time of year. I think most of us aiming at PBP have put our regular road races to the background for this year so we can focus on qualifying.No worries, I cant do PBP, my son has just told me he "needs" to go on a rugby tour to Italy, so my budget is blown right there. But I think I will be there anyway, good Cement training for the race the next day. Will have to do this in 4 years, then he will be done with school (but varsity could be an issue)
walkerr Posted February 4, 2015 Author Posted February 4, 2015 No worries, I cant do PBP, my son has just told me he "needs" to go on a rugby tour to Italy, so my budget is blown right there. But I think I will be there anyway, good Cement training for the race the next day. Will have to do this in 4 years, then he will be done with school (but varsity could be an issue) Can also thoroughly recommend LEL - which is sooner in 2017. Was a superb ride. No need for qualifiers, but places do sell out very quick.
walkerr Posted February 4, 2015 Author Posted February 4, 2015 A mate of mine was also on the Banting diet and had a discussion with the Boss, who said, that if you are doing endurance sports you need to up your carbs or you will die. The reason he asked is that that is what he was feeling. So just remember all the guides they give are for Joe Bloggs who is typically sedentary, or at best minimal to intermediately active. If you are doing things out of the ordinary that stresses the system you need to eat, and do other things, differently. You need to find what works for you. On the last 400 we did we were just 2 guys and I fueled on GU every 45 mins, one bottle of Coke and water (50/50) and another bottle of water (to wash down the GU). Then at each stop had a coffee&/or Coke & Pie and crisps (or whatever my palate wanted) and off we went. I did not bonk once but I did feel the legs (I assume you should eventually) When doing extreme, do it different to your daily diet if need be; or not. Yep - I also tend to go with eating what my body is telling me it wants/needs on the longer rides. I've read somewhere that through LCHF your body does become a more efficient fuel burner of all types of fuel - I've no idea how true that is, but I do seem to bonk much much less since I went onto it. The amount of carbs I need to add back on the long days is definitely lower than I used to need - energy levels stay much steadier throughout the ride.
Grantc Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Yep - I also tend to go with eating what my body is telling me it wants/needs on the longer rides. I've read somewhere that through LCHF your body does become a more efficient fuel burner of all types of fuel - I've no idea how true that is, but I do seem to bonk much much less since I went onto it. The amount of carbs I need to add back on the long days is definitely lower than I used to need - energy levels stay much steadier throughout the ride.Thanks Robbeen doing this LCHF thing since the beginning of September.Plan is to hit Iron man in March fully fat adapted and go as long as I can before I have to supplement.Current weekend rides are between 5-6 hours at about 27km/h and are fuelled on water.Will be doing the JHB audax next weekend to make sure the eating/fuel strategy is correct.
walkerr Posted February 4, 2015 Author Posted February 4, 2015 Thanks Robbeen doing this LCHF thing since the beginning of September.Plan is to hit Iron man in March fully fat adapted and go as long as I can before I have to supplement.Current weekend rides are between 5-6 hours at about 27km/h and are fuelled on water.Will be doing the JHB audax next weekend to make sure the eating/fuel strategy is correct. Good luck with the Audax!
Grantc Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Good luck with the Audax!Looking forward to it - it's been a while since I rode one
PeterM Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 The LCHF thing is working great ... but ... I am not sticking to it rigidly. My normal weekly eating I try and avoid all wheat, and limit my carbs but not cut them out. When eating out, I do sometimes cheat a bit - especially for a burger. On non-excercise days I'm quite strict 50g to 100g of carbs max, On riding days, especially long rides, I don't stress too much - eat what is available. Over 400 or 600, my body needs fuel and I'd rather not risk running out of fuel because of diet. I'm down about 8kg though and riding stronger than ever, and keeping my carbs low but without being over strict about it seems to really work for how I feel overall. If I go too low on the carbs though, I really notice it on the bike - get sluggish and tired. So for me, the right balance seems to be to add some carbs back when riding. I avoid sugars, breads (mostly) and such though At the moment I am a 3/4 LCHF guy. I am still climbing the learning-curve. During the above rides I aimed to learn what works well for me on long rides. Baby potatoes with droewors (3:1) worked very well on the last ride with a few dates towards the end of the ride. Lots of Re-hydrate (hard lesson learned).And some sweet stuff for emergencies. A surprise tip from a cycling mate worked very well - 250ml of custard (tons of kj, easy to consume and easy on the stomach).
Slowbee Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 an interesting article for you guys www.bikequarterly.com/BQPBPEquipsurvey.pdf
walkerr Posted February 5, 2015 Author Posted February 5, 2015 an interesting article for you guys www.bikequarterly.com/BQPBPEquipsurvey.pdf Towards the end it sums up my greatest fear of a DNF - 56% due to illness, and 25% of those due to digestion. I've heard reported that something like 40% of participants have suffered some level of gastric issue on PBP, most due to slightly iffy water sources. Not really sure of the accuracy of that figure, but those stats do add weight to it. I'm someone who suffers gastric issues badly, and once they hit I really struggle to function. Even on our local Audaxes, out of 50 or so riders overall on the 2014 - we'd had 2 who had gastric issues, and one for whom it sadly meant a DNF. Our only other DNF for the 2014 rides was a mechanical. Definitely an area of concern
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