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Is there a concept named after this? I want to go and do some more research on it so that I can fully understand it but not too sure where to start, maybe fat adapted trying in endurance athletes? I know I must go read Maffetone's book and principally it's lower HR training, I'm just hungry for more.

At that stage Riaan I hadn't even come across lchf yet so I was just simply enjoying the yoghurt for what it was. I don't generally eat a lot of it as it is though.

Also true re modified lactose foodstuffs, never looked at it from that perspective. For me it just became do or die pretty much. A useless friday tip though. The older & harder a cheese is the less lactose content it contains. So a cheese like Parmesan (not the ground up processed stuff) has almost no lactose in it do to the enzymes in the diary consuming the sugars over a period of time. Hence why I can enjoy Parmesan over my pasta. I have taken notice of that. This is a huge adaption for me though as I need to convince the grocery shopper (Dad) that this isn't going to break his bank and everyone else in the family needs to accept it (every meal had carbs in it because of me - I have become so heavily reliant on the things). I almost feel like Noakes here... Then from cutting off the fat on my steak and convincing my step father to do the same because it is "unhealthy" now to a complete turn-around... "Could I please have the fattiest piece of steak in the kitchen?" I have also never had a full cup of coffee in my life (only 20 so not an eternity) as caffeine keeps me awake for days. This would not be an instant thing for me Htone, if this works for me and I can burn fuel as fat, when I get to do IMSA in 5 years time I should do pretty well as a fat burning machine by then. At the moment my training is to just get me out of the house and away from the books as an escape, so it is far from anything serious and hence I'm sure I can sacrifice a little to gain a lot in the future. It is just always fun to train half the amount of my old man and still keep up with him.

Roux1 please tell me that word document that you have is all the posts from the new thread? Pretty please with sugar coconut oil on top could you send it to me. Dying for an offline version for the first 95 or so pages.. Htone, just something I thought about over the past few days (I'm busy studying for for the most exciting time of one's life - year end exams and my mind tends to wonder a little) have you tried experimenting with lactose free versions of diary products as opposed to the normal versions. For example lactose free milk as opposed to normal (this is probably a bad example as you don't use much milk) I have now recently seen and tasted the lactose free yogurt from Woolies and it's not bad considering I haven't had yogurt in a few years Something Tim Noakes mentioned in his lecture is that an individual may not necessarily be carb intolerant to the extent that others are and hence we can all accommodate different carb thresholds. In Tim (and htone's case) they both have had extreme experiences to warrant the extremely low carbs they have. Whereas others such as HappyMartin has probably more than double this and is perfectly happy doing this. I've been high carbing it for almost two solid years now, given to me by a dietician, and I feel much better than I did before when I was eating anything in sight. But it may seem like it's time for a change. But I still have some research and costings to do before I make such a radical decision. So htone, I'm almost going to put my head on a block here and say that I'm willing to be a test subject. I just need to overcome a few obstacles before the end of the year but it might just be a slow process so when the new year comes I hit the ground running. I'm considering working from the ground upwards, new training, new food - this is obviously that it all remains manageable and cost effective. A few aspects I need to consider and research a bit about though: 1. How on earth can I achieve the fat levels required without diary (or rather lactose). I am extremely lactose intolerant so a lot of the fat sources you guys use are not even an option for me. However I may have read something recently that may have made it slightly more attainable. 2. I need to go and read and understand Phil Maffetone's method and structure behind his training before I go out and just start riding slowly. At this stage I'm probably in the best cycling form I've ever been in and it is going to be a lot for me to swallow if I lose it. Oh btw Welcome to the DeCarb Doc, first post in the LCHF thread, I'm convinced he was inspired to join us because of this thread!

I know this is a little off topic at the moment but got this from the prof off of twitter last night and it by far the most valuable few minutes of his lecture. The regulars I'm might have come across this already but it's intended to those you are reading this thread and learning about lchf. http://t.co/U02zsmyj9G

That was hypothetical. I find a lot of people do this though (seen it in my family). One of the things that stuck with me from Tim's lecture was that is someone had told him to eat lchf 40 years ago and he would be much healthier he would have as opposed to only finding it out when he did. However for me I would change my diet now in order to not be riddled with some of the "21st" century illnesses.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7gmde02jqhdvev0/Tim%20Noakes%20Public%20Lecture.wav So here is the link for the lecture from Wednesday. If you have any questions just give me a shout I could probably help you to understand something as he did make reference and use of ppt slides. The last 20 or so minutes is questions and answers. The file is about 500mb for those with data restrictions.

I think you may have misunderstood me. I was making reference to my view being the alternative one not the study. The study I'm sure is as credible as it need to be to be of importance. However in the article it mentions that all the men had DEVELOPED prostate cancer, which in my view is already a a significant occurrence in one's life to consider change. I'm years away from prostate cancer and would have no inclination to change my diet. But in 40 years time if the doc had to say to me that my prostate might become an issue in the following years then I would consider changing my diet, especially supplementing it with omega 3 which has anti inflammatory properties. Just what I would do. Htone, correct me if I'm wrong, changed his diet due to his heart attack. You top wine have changed your sons diet because of your knowledge of his diabetes.

This is an alternative view, something that must be taken into consideration though, is that these men were diagnosed and then analyzed. Which means a lot of them could have specifically changed their diets post diagnosis which would skew the results. I'm not saying this is the case but just one of the circumstances to think about. An important aspect I want to highlight is that they say there is no benefit in taking a fish oil supplement. Which I can easily agree with as if you are eating oily fish and a variety of different foods (yes I'm automatically excluding carbs) then you should be (over a sustained period of time) getting all the different vitamins and minerals that your body requires. Spinach would be source of iron for instance as opposed to supplementing with a supplement. One of the things that Tim Noakes mentioned in his lecture yesterday that I found interesting and I think we sometimes forget. It is also one of his cornerstones for eating lchf is that he has gone back and studied the way many cultures used to eat prior to the agricultural revolution (this he claims is one of the reasons why there was a huge shift in the way people used to eat and the way people eat now) and mimic that in today's circumstances. Those people didn't take supplements or find eggs and milk that had been supercharged with oils from fish. My stance would be to keep it simple (KISS Principle) and natural in this case. edit: Grammar and spelling

So I have just gotten home from the Tim Noakes Public lecture. I'm busy uploading the sound file for those who want to download it and listen to it (around 500mb). Some very interesting stuff! Slightly more aimed at the medical field but even so made some interesting points that I haven't yet come across (busy reading the info dump on the first post, about 400 pages through the 800). If anyone knows how to consolidate V2 of this thread into a word doc please let me know as I would like to have it for offline purposes so I can read through all this as well.

Mnr. Trubie? Which weekend are we supposed to change back to 7 am for the corner?

Probably from 7 am next weekend as summer is approaching. if not 7 then still 7 30

Profile design T2+ DL are probably the only clip on bars that i've seen that are legal for draft races. http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=29368

@Sandbrat/Cliff Weekend rides at 7 30 for now on the corner of swartkoppies and klipriver

Most probably the first weekend in august or september not quite sure, unofficially though once it gets warmer