You people all surprise me I have to say. Are you all losing the plot???? Why are we all debating the issue going around in circles? It's simple - we have a major problem on our hands, particularly in the greater Joburg/Gauteng area. I have been held up by armed gunmen on my mountain bike, tied up for nearly an hour while they took their time to steal everything and ferry our bikes off on foot, so I know what it’s all about. This happened late last year and then as it turns out we were on the same trail last Saturday as Nathrix at around the same time so it could have been number 2 hi-jacking for us. We all know that Carte Blanche can do nothing to solve it - so this is not a debate; however any publicity is good publicity to highlight the problem, raise awareness and bring it to people’s attention. We all know the cops can/will do sweet little about it so again there is no debate here!! Yes…..get out there and join community forums, join up with other guys and cycle in bigger and bigger groups, go out with clubs. Let's take back the trails ourselves! AND while we are doing it, it will not hurt to get as many people as possible to be aware of it. AND if criminals are reading this thread and are on the Hub then they too know that we are onto them and that we will not sit back and take this **** - so let's carry on putting it out there. All of you who doubt that there is a problem or that there are syndicates involved are blind and/or seriously uninformed. Of course I am sure many of the incidents are opportunistic; however there have been cases here in Joburg where the perpetrators have actually selected which bikes they will take and discarded the others. But be that as it may it does no good to argue about it, it will only help if we stand against it and make it known that there is a problem. In fact one of the idiots that held us up was caught a week or 2 later and is still in custody right now. There are one or 2 cops that are trying hard to bring him to justice and we are hoping he will get 15 years for armed robbery and attempted rape. He was not caught by the police but rather by citizens who came to the rescue while they were holding up 5 cyclists. The system is stuffed, however we can stand up for ourselves and bring these guys down!!! Join forces and take back the trails!!!!