Patchelicious

If it was on his bike, it would have been impressive, but its clearly on the drive home, note its all the last few sections. So please, dont have a go at me, I am trying to show that we must also take responsibility when we drive around other cyclists.

Lots has been said about cars behaving badly on the roads. This chap Japie Merwe, seems to have left his Strava http://app.strava.co...vities/60413417 on when driving out the Cradle. Easy mistake, but he has indirectly busted himself for speeding in an area FULL of cyclists. Note top speed 126km/h and at a section called Circle to Circle, which is probably the busiest part of the cradle his average was 90km/h. The speed limit in the Cradle is 60km/h. Did more than double the speed limit! So seems even us cyclists do not behave correctly around other cyclists when we get behind the wheel.

Well I made it, just not all the way

My point will be irrelevant to you until someone tells you to do something that you do not want to do.

I do not think anybody has ever been wrong on the Hub before.

I hear you, but: He was being a bit douchey, and we do only have one side of the story on the Forum. So please excuse me for defending my stance, I do not mean for it come across as abrasive. @Pain or Shine, no not condoning anything, merely saying that if "dumb cyclist on Coast Road Lastnight" does not take your advice, shrug it off. Just like I'm shrugging off your tone.

And that is all that should have been said in the first place.

BS! I NEVER condoned the guys stupidity, I agreed with guys it was dumb. I was merely saying that he has the right to ignore advice. Unless you have taken every piece of advice you have ever received, your argument holds no value. The choice of words used was the ENTIRE reason I got involved in the thread. I have been saying the whole time, BE A GOOD GUY, JUST DONT BE A DOUCHE ABOUT IT. Is that clear enough for you? Sheez and they troll sprayed me!

Ride with no light, you try to steal my bike. I try to defend my property and resist, you try harder and it gets out of hand, I have more right to defend my property than you have of proving a point so I get physical defending my R50k bike from a hijacker, you retaliate and violence occurs. See CPT Armpies, getting closer to mob justice. It might not be there yet, but a few small steps in the wrong direction and one crosses a line that can cannot be undone. Rather try and passively educate the guys than try and force them. People just don't like being forced and will resist.

Making him realise, by way of demonstration, example CONSTRUCTIVE lecture etc I agree with 1billion percent!!!, the first part sounds a bit like bullying him into what you want though.

Perhaps, but you are also assuming his fact is indeed fact. (As I was not there when the incident happened lastnight, I cannot comment on. I can only comment on what is being said here. and no Hairy, Im not questioning your integrity ) You are very right that I have no claim to warrant my suggestion, but thats the point I was making. ps: this was an older post, much positive progress has been since.

I really like the logic you used here. Good post, probably your best. Moral fibre of communities is massively important. Education of better road etiquette is also important. Telling people how they can cycle better also, I agree with you guys on all these points. Go and do these things, it will make the world a better place. But once you have made your comment (to help educate) leave it, you cannot MAKE an adult, who chooses to ride a bike in the dark do as you want, it might not be mob justice, but its the same mind set (I used that to make a point, and a joke ps). Coming to the hub to attack the dude, does not help the morality of anything. Just look at the last 2hours of arguing. If the intention was really just to help educate, then the original post would not have been such a personal attack on the dude. Stuff him, let him be the douche, no matter how much you actually just wanted to vent.

haha, actually not a troll............today. I am really trying to make you see my point, just as you are trying to make me see yours. This does not make me a troll, trying to discredit me with a label like that will also not work. It is your thread, and I will respect that and not post "edit" much. 1. I agree riding without a light is not clever. 2. I agree that is illegal, stupid, idiotic. 3. I agree you can tell someone they should shape up if they are endagering themselves or others 4. I DISAGREE that you can get upset if that person does not take your advice, they have the right not too, no matter how right you are or believe you are. Thats it

Gladly. Perhaps a good point and even a mulligan for you to make your point. If you could make your point, in summary, without all the adjectives of the original posts, I could even agree with it? Lets see?

We have police do deal with legalities. If you want to take law into your own hands, then you are effectively promoting mob justice. Sheez, forcing beliefs, mob justice, the Coast Road sounds more like Syria than a nice place to ride.

No, I think you thrive on conflict, don't confuse the two.

You are missing the point further than a drunken pool player misses a backspin shot. You CAN tell him he must buy a light, just as much as he CAN say no. Just because its common sense to you, it does not mean it is for other people who have a different view BELIEF of what common sense is. Forcing your opinion/beliefs on people who see things differently than you, is worse than riding without a light.

I'm fine with that, the one guy you should shake hands with is "the roadie on West Coast Road lastnight" who also agreed to disagree with you.....

Perfect thanks: So, 1. Dont come here and ACT like a chop, never said he was one. 2. Makes you SEEM like THE douche, in the situation, again never called him one. Jeez dude, you guys are worse than children! Oops, there I just did comment on your character, but honestly, this pettiness does deserve it. No go an take your anger out on a interval session or something, I'm over this, clearly no point debating with someone who cannot take criticism. (Kind of sounds like the guy who you moaned about in the first place) Keep safe.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa, a character attack!!! sies, I demand an apology, how dare you assume something about my character

Copy and paste the part you want an apologise to for attacking your character, and I will consider it. I however think it might be a bit hypocritical, as your opening post on this thread has more character attacks on the roadie dude than I have made posts. As to the part where you say I "questioned" you, I disagree, I merely said it is easy coming to a forum and posting a one sided story, I never that is what you did.

This is most sensible post on this entire thread. One person can raise an opinion about something with another, said person must then also be ready to have that opinion rejected, as much as you have the right to tell him to be safe, he has the right to tell you to go away. Forcing ones opinion or beliefs on other is a very dangerous road to go down. So like I said, look after yourself, tell the guy what you want, but then dont cry when tells you to go away. The issue here is not that an opinion was raised, but rather the fact the guy did not get his way, and then comes to the hub looking for support.

I am not sure how you were brought up, but I was taught that when you hand something to someone, you give it to them in their hands not shove it up their ass. I feel sorry for the next person who asks you to hand them the salt... ouch

Honestly, you need not prove anything to me, I'm just a forum member. I am just saying, its very easy for me to post a topic called "To the MTBer on Sunset lastnight who swore at me" and blow it out of proportion and give a one sided version. Perhaps the guys was not intending to be caught out riding so late, maybe he wanted to squeeze in a last lap before heading home as he can only get out once a week, whatever.... he is a cyclist, he knows the dangers of being out on the road, you offered and opinion to him, he rejected it, get over it. As long as you and your cycling group are being safe, you are doing your part for the community.

If it gets handed to me, its already out of my ass, clean your fingers! Everything on this entire thread is based on ONE side of the story, so believe what you want......