My original plan was always to ride for the guys in I batch, doing super domestique duties and trying to work for them to give them their best times possible, whatever they turn out to be. As people started joining from other (higher) batches, it morphed somewhere to the goal being all about the sub-3 target, and I'm getting concerned that the original goal of just giving our time to ride for our fellow Hubbers in 'I' is getting a bit lost along the way. I made the promise to them that I was coming to help and to ride for them, that I'll never just ride away from them if they're too slow for me, but if we all stick close together, share the workload in the pace line, and not leave others behind, we can get a great time. That hasn't changed for me, and I'm sticking to that promise. I'll be with them to the finish line. When I talk about waiting at the top of climbs, I'm referring to the front of the bunch not just hammering on to get their sub 3 hr pace, but only to take their foot off the gas long enough to allow the rest of the group (that will be all strung out, esp. on the longer and steeper climbs) time to catch up and we're then ready to start pulling hard again. If we just ride off and leave people behind, then what was the point of dropping back to this group in the first place? I'm concerned that a few of our teammates in I batch are reading some of these posts from stronger riders and thinking to themselves, "well, that immediately counts me out then. I was never going for sub 3 and now all these fast guys are joining and I don't stand a chance of keeping up so I'm not so crazy about this idea anymore." That's definitely not what I was hoping for this thing. The message to the faster riders dropping back to join the I-Team remains: we are forfeiting our own ambitions and goals for the race to help our teammates smash their own targets. This is all about them, not us. So if that means the group is only good enough for sub 3h15 then so be it. Talus (and maybe Patch as well), if you're going for a second lap and you're concerned about not getting back in time for the last batch going off at 10h28, all I hope for is that you guys give us your full support for the first 70km (i.e. the bottom of the Witkoppen climb). That means doing the work on the front at a good 3hr pace, but always to keep in mind that we're doing this for the teams goals, so we're not leaving people behind. We can easily make up the time again on the flatter sections, but only if the group stays together. And then, at 70km you can check where we are and if you think we're going too slowly for you, you are welcome to turn on the afterburners and head off from there. If you can just give us that first 70km it would be hugely appreciated from everyone, I'm sure. Last note: even if we come in at 3h15 that means you still have 8 minutes before the last batch goes off. So if we finish in 3h05 or 3h10, you've still got masses of time to get back to the starting pens. Hope you'll join us! But if you want to stick to your original plans, no problem at all - completely understandable .