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Not sure if this link has been shared, and it does not tell us more than we know, but: http://www.news24.co...ropped-20130702

Tragic event! RIP Burry. I reckon there are a lot of people on bikes riding due to your achievements. I just read through this thread and there seems to be a lot of speculation. I obviously have no eye witness account personally but I had read something from an actual eye witness on IOL which I felt was worth sharing. http://www.iol.co.za...19#.UOrxZIfXArW So that describes the taxi coming from the Port Shepstone direction. Burry heading towards Port Shepstone. The taxi then turned into Stott Str in front of Burry. Note that there is a solid white line on the taxi side of the road. The image below shows the direction Burry was apparently travelling: http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2229/a8c1611eeaf5487aa889fc9b629e5b5d.jpg Another report in Die Beeld implies that Burry was riding within the yellow line : Sharing the image of the taxi adds to the confusion. Very little damage to be honest. But it does seem to show that the impact was more in the front than a true "t-boning" as some seem to be mentioning. http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2229/a83043b47ce948dfa640523632e46eee.jpg Burry's bike: http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2229/228843cfefa74c4fbace30ba17b6668b.jpg

They are, for the must part. But again, the degree of rudeness, and ease with which it makes an appearance, is probably a reflection of the general demeanor of the said individual. Maybe cycling just attracts more naturally rude individuals for some reason.

Well this thread proves it I reckon. Many cyclists are apparently rude, stuck up, "I'm so much better than you" snobs. To those who are, I can only hope your life isn't as miserable as it appears when I see you out on the road. You'll still get a greeting from me but I now expect your miserable silence in response. For those that aren't, good on you and I look forward to greeting you on the road.

Great post, Simon, thanks for that. A lot of what you mention makes sense and I alluded to a few of them in the first post. I suppose being a runner of many years myself I just find the difference quite startling and rather sad. It is not going to stop me from riding, and it sure won't stop me from greeting as, unlike many others on this forum, I tend to be a happy, pleasant fellow

Wow, such a macho man, nishiki. Saying things like that must make you feel so awesome about yourself. I suppose comments like these do explain my perception that many cyclists are rude. There are a lot on here who seem to prove that point. This wonderful chap being one of them.

I was hardly bitching about them not greeting me back but rather making an observation. If discussions and observations relating to cycling are banned on this forum then please accept my apology. I also never turned it into a road cyclist vs MTBers discussion, others did. I merely pointed out my normal riding habits as these explained why I have not seen many other cyclists while out riding before today.Today was an exception and the reaction, or lack of it, from fellow cyclists was enough for me to feel it was worth asking if it was the norm. Some are accurately stating that you get rude people in all walks of life but as mentioned in the OP I came across a decent sample of pedestrians, joggers and cyclists this morning and, based on this sample, one group was way out as regards the norm. And for the person that asked, no I do not greet every car that drives past for a a fairly obvious reason, they usually approach me from behind at a great speed and are usually gone before I can raise me hand. I did offer speed as an excuse for cyclists but then again I passed many of them, hence was going faster, and managed a greeting. If a vehicle toots and waves though, as does happen, I am happy to reciprocate.

Wow, thank you so much for bestowing the honour of that title on me. I must have missed the nominations and voting but am stoked about it none the less. I would like to thank my Mom and Dad obviously as it was clearly genetics that lead to this title.....

Ah, so there may be something to it and I wasn't just imagining it? **** off, and a merry Christmas to you too!

A controversial title no doubt. Possibly a gross generalisation. But is there any truth in it? I usually ride at irregular times and most of the time off road on single track. As a result I very rarely come in contact with other riders while out there. This morning was different to the norm. I hit the road at 5am for a ride. I tend to be very cheery when I am out riding or running and greet everyone I see or pass. This morning I passed pedestrians, some out strolling, some on their way to work. I passed a number of joggers. And I passed a number of cyclists. Without fail the joggers returned my greeting with a cheerful smile. A number of them getting their greeting in first before I had a chance to get mine in. This did not surprise me as over many years of jogging I have always found fellow joggers to be cheerful. A very large number of pedestrians returned my greeting. Those that did not would at least glance in my direction or give me a smile. Not one single cyclist returned my greeting! The majority not even acknowledging my existence. Actually, I lie, the one chap seemingly reluctantly did so as we briefly stopped at the same robot together. So I need to ask, is this normal behaviour for cyclists? And if so, why? Does the relative expense of the equipment needed to cycle mean that most cyclists are snobs who feel they are above being friendly to strangers? Or is there some other reason? Perhaps the faster speed than the others means some need to concentrate real hard on what they are doing.

I have ridden Holla and the sugar cane fields around Shongweni and Summerveld, for which Emba boards are required, and fail to see what makes Holla superior in this regard? Much of my time at Holla, riding with two locals, was spent on sugar cane roads and the like. The point, which still stands, is that you can easily do a 60km from Giba without "looping or getting stuck behind plonkers" as he appears to insinuate is the case. Just this last Sunday a 45km race took place around Summerveld alone and most of it was spent on single track.

With an EMBA board you can easily do 60km without the issues you mention. And I am yet to get stuck behind a plonker, most willingly let you pass.

It seems there will be marchers. And are tractors allowed on national roads? Genuinely asking as I'm not sure.

Quite interested to read, especially after us being told in here how we should obey the rules of the road like all other vehicles, that we now have a story telling us that we are not like all other vehicles! No bicycles allowed at e-toll protest http://www.news24.co...rotest-20121206

Play by the same rules? Cool, so can we cycle in the middle of the road instead of hugging the pavement and dodging the broken glass and other rubbish I find it extremely annoying when the blame is shifted to cyclists. I cannot speak for others but I tend to obey road rules on the few occasions I am on the road but I often deal with cars passing exceptionally close to me even on wide roads. For safety sake I'll often ride deep in the yellow line and still cars cross over the line and pass within inches. The focus should be on educating vehicle drivers, of which I am one, but as a cyclist myself I am aware of other cyclists.