Hi all, I think the point I'm trying to make here is one of value. For my wife and I to ride the 60km at Karkloof, all in, we're looking at R600 - R700 for the morning. Now, I can go there on any other day and pay a R20-R30 indemnity fee, and ride all I want. In essence, they are wanting to now charge me R200+ for what amounts to 3 to 4 water stops. Based on the last two events (Marathon at Inanda and the Holla Trails 50km), the water tables are costing me abt R100 per water stop. That is what I'm effectively getting for my money. Now, I'm not advocating that we only pay for what we consume. I'm willing to pay a fair amount for the organisation, etc. I don't want the ride for nothing. In my opinion, about R100- R120 is fair for the ride. Any more than that is, in my opinion excessive. Everyone has their own value peg, and I'm fairly sure that the charges now being levied for these rides are beyond most people's value peg, as evidenced by the results of this poll. (And to belay any ad-hominem attacks, it is not about what I earn, or can afford; I can afford the prices). The 60km ride at Karkloof is limited to 800 riders. Assuming the ride is fully subscribed beforehand, that amounts to a whopping R136 000 (800 x R170). And that is JUST for the 60km event. So what is the purposes of the sponsors being there? I'm not against profit making; what I am against is a for-profit company gouging consumers; this is why I have asked CSA for an explanation as to why I'm now paying a R110 fee (including the a R35 fee to be a member of some obscure KZN organisation). I would like a full explanation of why the fees are so exhorbitant, particularly as this year I now have to do some bureaucratic running around to satisfy their requirements! I'd wager that within a short period of time a critical mass of people will be taking action by not attending races. Even worse, they'll pitch up and ride without paying. Either way, the net revenues will be lower, leading to the organisers raising prices, making it even more unaffordable. And that will lead to organisers attempting to remove these riders from the course, resulting in a legal wrangle (the organisers are not the land owners, and thus they have no authority to remove people from private land. Even less so on public land). Hypothetically, come Sunday, if I'm out riding at Karkloof and there happens to be a race organised, what right do they have to deny me access to the land, particularly if I've paid my R20 indemnity? CSA and race organisers listen up: I want clarity on your charges, and a reason as to why I should pay your fees (whether they are exhorbitant or not depends on what I get for my money). Dean