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This is where it all started, so it might as well end here. Here is a letter that has been sent to all residents of the cradle -------------------------------------------------- To all Cradle residents Late last year the cycling issue was out of hand and there were a number of incidents. A meeting was held at Teak place between a number of players mainly been residents and cyclist representatives. This meeting was heated and the resolution was that I would represent the residents and work together with CGC , representative cyclist clubs and Metro to find a win win solution. A few meetings took place, but the initiate was always from my side and at one stage Giovanni indicated that the meetings were a waste of time ,and the problem was with the road and if this was sorted out there would be no problems. Cut a long story short. Metro promised to take a serious stand against cyclist’s who ride in the middle of the road, by ways of fines ect. This was backed by everyone who attended the meeting at Kloofzicht. (Ian jones can supply names) A lawyers letter was also addressed to Cradle residents from a cyclyst. (on the hub) To date nothing has happened and the situation is getting out of control and I have received many calls from resident’s wanting to know what’s going on. When I took this on, there were many residents who said this was a waste of time and they had other ways of dealing with the problem. I still went ahead thinking that all the parties were serious. The only parties I believe were serious were Ian Jones and Andrew Mclean. Giovanni was never committed (in my opinion) and club 100 never attended any meetings. I have sent letters to the following parties · Mogale Metro · CGC (Central Gauteng Cycling) · Cradle management authority. Mogale Metro - has not bothered to respond and from this we can take that they are not interested. CGC – Giovanni passed this on to Joaquin from Valverde, and Joaquin’s response was that CGC had not disciplined any clubs and had no authority to do so. To quote from CGC website ‘CGC members are expected to adhere to the CGC code of conduct. Failure to do so may result in disciplinary action being taken against the cyclist as well as the club and could include expulsion from the club” Apart from this Joaquin also contradicts himself about cyclist’s riding in the road. Joaquin’s main argument is that no one can discipline cyclists, and only the police can do this, and till that happens, residents must just live with it. Cradle Management Authority Events that take place in the cradle need approval from COH WHS (Cradle Management Authority) The MA at this time has no guideline’s for any events and this is not due anytime soon. In other words there is no management happening and it is a free for all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The conclusion is I am not going to carry on with this as it is a waste of time. I am happy to meet with residents to give them a more detailed report and other residents can take it from here. What I can say is that if cyclists are going to come out here looking for trouble, please don’t complain when you get it right back. I will post this letter on the hub.

This is where it all started, so it might as well end here. Here is a letter that has been sent to all residents of the cradle -------------------------------------------------- To all Cradle residents Late last year the cycling issue was out of hand and there were a number of incidents. A meeting was held at Teak place between a number of players mainly been residents and cyclist representatives. This meeting was heated and the resolution was that I would represent the residents and work together with CGC , representative cyclist clubs and Metro to find a win win solution. A few meetings took place, but the initiate was always from side and at one stage Giovanni indicated that the meetings were a waste of time ,and the problem was with the road and if this was sorted out there would be no problems. Cut a long story short. Metro promised to take a serious stand against cyclist’s who ride in the middle of the road, by ways of fines ect. This was backed by everyone who attended the meeting at Kloofzicht. (Ian jones can supply names) A lawyers letter was also addressed to Cradle residents from a cyclyst. (on the hub) To date nothing has happened and the situation is getting out of control and I have received many calls from resident’s wanting to know what’s going on When I took this on, there were many residents who said this was a waste of time and they had other ways of dealing with the problem. I still went ahead thinking that all the parties were serious. The only parties I believe were serious were Ian Jones and Andrew Mclean. Giovanni was never committed (in my opinion) and club 100 never attended any meetings. I have sent letters to the following parties · Mogale Metro · CGC (Central Gauteng Cycling) · Cradle management authority. Mogale Metro - has not bothered to respond and from this we can take that they are not interested. CGC – Giovanni passed this on to Joaquin from Valverde, and Joaquin’s response was that CGC had not disciplined any clubs and had no authority to do so. To quote from CGC website ‘CGC members are expected to adhere to the CGC code of conduct. Failure to do so may result in disciplinary action being taken against the cyclist as well as the club and could include expulsion from the club” Apart from this Joaquin also contradicts himself about cyclist’s riding in the road. Joaquin’s main argument is that no one can discipline cyclists, and only the police can do this, and till that happens, residents must just live with it. Cradle Management Authority Events that take place in the cradle need approval from COH WHS (Cradle Management Authority) The MA at this time has no guideline’s for any events and this is not due anytime soon. In other words there is no management happening and it is a free for all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The conclusion is I am not going to carry on with this as it is a waste of time. I am happy to meet with residents to give them a more detailed report and other residents can take it from here. What I can say is that if cyclists are going to come out here looking for trouble, please don’t complain when you get it right back. I will post this letter on the hub.

Maybe put out a message on the radio network about the incident and try get a reg number. It's hit and run and the driver, resident or not needs to be charged. Its that simple. Works both ways.

Maybe we (cyclists) should somehow communicate to the businesses in the area that the residents are threatening their (the businesses) incomes. Why you threatening to do this now. You have allready posted cradle trout and Brookwood. I know which way these guys are going to vote. But now the Taxi driver threats. We can behave badly and if u dont like it we are going post the names of your business on the web and then maybe spam your business , post your wifes details on the web, send u lawyers letters and the list goes on. Oh and yes please make us welcome in the cradle. You are your own worst enemy. Anyway if the law was forced then there would be no problems and we can all live happly. Anyway why are u worried. Go cycle and behave badly somewhere else. Talking about all this pull you have. You not as famous and loved as you think. Talk about cyclysts at any dinner party, check out some of the fb groups and then maybe reality will hit. two people who, in my opinion, shouldn't be entitled to this "vote" you talk off. from their comments (one published and the other reported), they should be in jail. Oh the famous Holy Roller with the pathetic avatar. I promise you no one is taking you seriously this side. Hook up with slow poke and take your "boney" for a ride "Ek se" and just "skim" how we can make those cradle ous mal my broer. And let them just "tune" any thing and we will moer them stukkend. Yes im sure you are going to bring millions to the cradle.

Maybe we (cyclists) should somehow communicate to the businesses in the area that the residents are threatening their (the businesses) incomes. Why you threatening to do this now. You have allready posted cradle trout and Brookwood. I know which way these guys are going to vote. But now the Taxi driver threats. We can behave badly and if u dont like it we are going post the names of your business on the web and then maybe spam your business , post your wifes details on the web, send u lawyers letters and the list goes on. Oh and yes please make us welcome in the cradle. You are your own worst enemy. Anyway if the law was forced then there would be no problems and we can all live happly. Anyway why are u worried. Go cycle and behave badly somewhere else. Talking about all this pull you have. You not as famous and loved as you think. Talk about cyclysts at any dinner party, check out some of the fb groups and then maybe reality will hit.

not up to you or them on who's welcome' date=' public road... I wonder, with the size of the cycling community in the country, think of the amount of people riding the argus / 94.7, how a thread like this would affect the businesses in the cradle. [/quote'] As per the Teak meeting, Cycysts do bring business, but not as much as they make out, infact in some cases business is lost becauce who wants to go to a venue and fight 100's cyclysts with bad attitudes. Much easier to go somewhere else. Most cyclysts ride in and ride out and MAYBE have a breakfast. Club 100 and Cycle lab ride in and out with out stopping anywhere, so in not sure what business they are bringing. The cradle has a lot of wedding venues that are booked up in some cases up to a year, so im not sure what business is going to be lost by these guys. A lot of game reserves, so i cant see them losing business. The mountain bike guys are always welcome, so no problem there. As to the public road thing, just shows your arogance, we can ride where we like and you must just accept it. No problem, who wants to ride in an hostile enviroment where you are made to feel unwelcome. As to the events,residents will show strong resistance. So who is the loser now. You are always going on about how this is the last decent place to ride in Gauteng and now you going to mess this up as well. No skin of our backs, i promise you.

This thread is great in letting us know what cyclysts think of the residents. Ill be passing the link to this thread on to ALL residents and im sure you are all going to very welcome in the area. Those residents who were sitting on the fence will now be easily convinced.

Just to put it into perspective https://www.bikehub.co.za/forum_posts.asp?TID=66796

. If you read the full thread you would realize that nowhere did any resident propose or plan blockades. This was from Marks side and we are still waiting for his sources. Read the thread. Amazing how things get twisted. As to the ak47 part, maybe come spend some time here and you will see how wrong you are. and i mean really way off. Again its easy to move the spotlight. The only way to sort this out, is that Metro and the local police must become involved. This topic must come up at every cpf meeting. The general view on this forum is that Cyclysts can beahave like they want with out any recourse and demand this and that and the local community must just accept it. Well lets see.

Trevor, The forum gives you a general idea of the type of cyclyst you are dealing with. Forget it, u wont get through. Like i have always said, these guys have the same mentality as taxi drivers. As per the teak meeting, the residents wanted a solution , but not at any cost. If cyclysts are going to make our lives a nightmare, show no respect for the law, well then the authorities have to pe pushed to take action and we must spend time and effort in this arena and not waste time with cyclyst clubs ect. All proposed events must be met with strong resistance and petitions. Who wants to ride in an area where you are unwelcome.

Here we go again. Chucky you start the fire, now you come along and make out as you are going to save the day. Maybe try finding solutions, instead of starting fires. As to your lawyers letter, we also have lawyers and the letter means nothing to us. Comment on Bruce's comment about the vendetta. If you had read this thread and previous threads, you would have seen that we have made the effort to get this sorted out. (starting about 3 years ago) Cyclist clubs and CGC do not have the ability and in some cases the leadership to sort this out. A lot of talk and that all. About the meeting on Wednesday. I see you have taken it upon yourself to post the date and time on the hub. Are you saying it?s an open meeting now, or only with the representatives as per the teak meeting. Are you going to chair the meetings now? Cyclists are like taxi drivers. They go through red robots, cut other road users off and when an incident happens, it is everybody else?s fault and now they are been victimised and the community has a vendetta against taxi drivers and blah blah blah , it goes on. And then the other tactic, they will threaten, insult and plan mass action. (you guys post names on the thread, without giving the full story.) Bottom line is you come out here looking for trouble, get residents backs up, and when you get it, then its crocodile tears. You and your fellow riders on Thursday are in leadership positions and you preach safety and tell everyone how you are trying to get things done. Maybe start with yourselves, that will be a good start. Ps Chucky , what happened with the blockade, or was that all in your head.. Still waiting for your sources. Comment on Buckstopper post Point 2, they were in the middle of the road, they admit it. The road also has no shoulder. Point 3, they were not going downhill. Where the incident took place is a slight uphill all the way. Point 4. It was made clear by metro that cyclists cannot ride 2 abreast, only on dedicated cycle lanes Point 6. Did you see a previous thread where photo?s were taken. Club rides are a problem Point 8 ? If you were at the teak meeting, you would realize it is not a few residents and you would also have seen the mood. Maybe also check out local newspaper articles. Point 12 ? As residents we are strongly pushing for this at high levels.

Mark, the road has no shoulder and the metro made it clear at the Teak meeting that cyclysts can NOT ride abreast on ANY road, ONLY WHERE THERE IS A CYCLE LANE. The point about slow moving vechicles is simple. They don't ride next to each other, and if they did it would be an issue. Mark when are you going to reply to the other points, the one im really interested in is the blockade one. You had this exclusive information and only when you had this incident did you decide to share it and ask all cyclysts to do a mass ride and sorry i nearly forgot - threats have been made. You start fires and then everybody else has to put them out, and then you tell everybody that you played a big part in putting the fire out. Lets forget the X issue. Why were you riding on a road with no shoulder 2 abreast. In otherwords any vechicle passing you would have to face oncoming traffic at put their lives in danger. quote "safty is paramount in my books" Mr x is not back pedling, he has not posted anything on the hub. He is just gatvol about cyclysts like every other resident. If you were at the Teak meeting you would of seen that cyclysts are not really welcome in the area and are seen as a problem.

So what you are saying is that X must endanger his life and his kids life by driving on the wrong side of the road on a blind rise. At the meeting it was made clear by Metro that cyclysts can only ride 2 abreast in a cycling lane. This was a specific question asked. This road does not have a cycling lane, not even a shoulder and X and other residents report that they were riding 3 abreast. Lets say they were riding 2 abreast. Still irresponsable and even more so from these guys as they know the situation and they know that riding in the middle of the road is not on. They go on about saftey saftey, but they ride like this.

One more thing Mark and all other cyclysts who had problems here. We insist you report these incidents to the Muldersdrift policestation,Krugersdorp Police station and Mogale metro. This will force the authorities to get involved and start charging road users who break the law, both sides.

There are a lot of misconceptions and distortion of the facts here. The incident this morning Mark called me and told me what happened ? basically Mark and a fellow cyclist were riding and X rode by at high speed (80km/h) and missed them by centimetres. I called X and his side of the story is different. He was taking his kids to school and 3 cyclists (not 2) were riding in the middle of the road approaching a blind rise. (Other residents report 2 cyclist groups riding in the middle of the road this morning at about that time) So Mark, here are a few general questions about your post. Were you riding 3 abreast on a blind rise? Quote ?I have now had enough of the cradle residents putting my (our ) lives at risks.? ? How many other incidents have you had personally in the cradle? Quote ?Most of you also know that I have been at the fore front with the cradle residents trying to sort this ongoing problem out, there are no quick easy solutions which it seems like the residents want.? Interesting, please explain what you have been doing to sort out this problem out and what makes you think you are on the forefront? Quote ?Im so sick and tired of the cradle residents thinking they own this stretch of road, my team mates and i are most probally the most safty conscience riders around? Really, then why are you riding 3 abreast on a road that has no shoulder, on a blind rise at time, which is probably the most busiest at this time of day. The residents have exactly the same point of view about cyclists. Quote ?Further more the residents are planning a road blocade this weekend to prevent us from using a public road specifically designed for cyclists so pitch up in your numbers , but beware threats have been made? Whisper - But beware, threats have been made. Do me a favour. Mark i want you tell me personally where you got this information from and where did you hear about these threats. My comments on the above are: A meeting was held at Teak place between the residents and cyclist representatives. The meeting was heated and closed off with representatives been chosen to take the matter further and come up with a plan. This meeting also ended with an appeal not to post on the hub, as this would only fuel the situation. If Mark had attended the meeting he would off known this. I was voted to represent the residents. I then initiated the first meeting. AM could not make it and said Mark would attend on his behalf. The only people who bothered to pitch for the meeting were myself, Metro and Ian Jones. Mark did not attend , did not offer any apology and simply did not pitch. If he couldn?t make the meeting, why didn?t he call and ask how the meeting went and what was discussed. If i was in the forefront of trying to sort the problem out, that?s what i would of done. We had the meeting anyway ,Metro made a few good suggestions and it was decided that nothing was going to happen in December and we would then get going in January. We all left the meeting positive that things could be sorted out Last week I again contacted the representatives to get a meeting and move forward. A meeting date and venue was agreed. Giovanni (didn?t attend first meeting) then came into the picture and said he felt the meeting should NOT go ahead as the main issue was about the road surface and he would be contacting the cradle authority about the state of the roads. I strongly disagreed and wanted the meeting to go ahead, as there were a lot of other issues to be discussed and the road surface problem would not be sorted out with in at least 6 months if ever. Giovanni was adamant that there was no case for a meeting and when i emailed specific questions all i got was vague answers and a lot of spin A few points. I have initiated both the meetings and not once has any other representative pushed to get things sorted out. I do not believe the CGC is serious about sorting the problem out and I believe it has to be escalated to CSA. Remember I had a meeting with CGC about 3 years ago and a lot of promises were made, but that?s all it was. All talk. Mark is very quick to put people names on the web site without telling the whole story. He did it with Ken as well. The story about the blockade and threats is a lot of rubbish and is all in his head. All he is doing is trying to inflame the situation. I challenge him to give his sources.

Just got back and heres 2 things to think about First there are some residents who are not like me trying to solve the situation. Did anyone read Kens email,so maybe you can deal with Ken and his way of doing things Second, just had a near accident with some school kids. Recently a lot of yellow bikes have been donated to school kids out here (before you all go off, I /we we welcome this for various reasons) Coming round the bend at the local school, (blind bend) about 3 or 4 kids in the middle of the road playing on their bicycles. I wonder where they learnt that it is ok to ride in the middle of the road. Anyway this is getting so messy and Im seriously thinking of going back to the community and asking them to take over. Like i said some of these comments are like taxi drivers. We demand this , we demand that, and just get in our way and we you will show you what happens. If you dont like us riding through red robots, tough, new SA. Live with it. As soon as one of these taxi drivers gets into an accident, then its everybody else's fault, U hate taxi drivers, its becauce u dont drive in a taxi day in day out and the list goes on. Well my closing post for the day is , you get what you give, If you go anywhere looking for trouble, i am sure you are going to find it. Maybe Ken must take over. To all the cyclysts who have a brain, thanks

No wonder you are so aggitated with the cyclists in the area . He He ' date=' don't take me seriously. Just could not resist. PM me if you would like advice on what I did to quit. It really is all in the mind.[/quote'] Lol I cant win

How did u do it. Im struggling big time

Andrew, Giovani, Ian and Mark are the only guys that are looking at sorting the issues out and are coming up with ideas. There is no problem with the general cyclists in the cradle (I ride during the week), its the few that make our life hard and come across three or four of these groups on a drive and your day is messed up. No other club as made any effort to improve the situation and i have no idea of what clubs are out there or who belongs to who.

This is for the Coenieeees and Mavrics of this world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VEDVkDX6x8