Challenge to PPA & WC Hubbers

[Willehond]

Without being funny, does the engineer guy not have a point?  With too many signs, they will loose effectiveness. I know it might sound like herressy here on the Hub (not my intent ShaunH), but we need to be practical rather than emotional.  Wanting 'to do something' must be channelled to ensure maximum effect.  Can anyone provide some info/studies that show their effectiveness?   That is the only way I think you can get them to improve signage.  A case in point is the Bottelary road.  I had to concentrate to see the cycle signs which were anyway on sections which I don't think are dangerous.

 

Should we not rather be concentrating on getting road builders to include aspects that will make roads safer rather than just warn motorists?  Around here (Tiekiedraai, Vissershok and new development near Richwood) changes have been made to the roads where the shoulder has been removed in sections to accommodate a central turning lane.  That seems stupid to me.  Would changing these factors not be more efficient than errecting signs that might make us feel good, but does not alter motorists' behaviour.

 

Sorry if I sound like the devil, but the 'white line' debate has made me question whether we want to make ourselves known to motorists.  Not very proud to be a cyclist today.

[Baanfietsryer]

 

Keep it simple - just come ride on the track. There is no white line and oncoming traffic to worry about.

 

Just don't stray out of the sprinters line in the last 200m or you'll get DQ'd.

 

All rounder2007-12-04 11:26:57

[Windbreaker]

 

Without being funny' date=' does the engineer guy not have a point?  With too many signs, they will loose effectiveness. I know it might sound like herressy here on the Hub (not my intent ShaunH), but we need to be practical rather than emotional.  Wanting 'to do something' must be channelled to ensure maximum effect.  Can anyone provide some info/studies that show their effectiveness?   That is the only way I think you can get them to improve signage.  A case in point is the Bottelary road.  I had to concentrate to see the cycle signs which were anyway on sections which I don't think are dangerous.

 

Should we not rather be concentrating on getting road builders to include aspects that will make roads safer rather than just warn motorists?  Around here (Tiekiedraai, Vissershok and new development near Richwood) changes have been made to the roads where the shoulder has been removed in sections to accommodate a central turning lane.  That seems stupid to me.  Would changing these factors not be more efficient than errecting signs that might make us feel good, but does not alter motorists' behaviour.

 

Sorry if I sound like the devil, but the 'white line' debate has made me question whether we want to make ourselves known to motorists.  Not very proud to be a cyclist today.

[/quote']Talk about superflous signage. Has anyone noticed the "Beware frogs" signs on Ou Kaapse Weg? Like how the hell are we supposed to see the things never mind take avoiding action. Replace those with W309's.

 

We have a mayor in Cape Town that is pro cycling. And there are PPA officials who have a direct line to the mayor. Maybe that is the route to pursue?

 

But back to the topic - do you think that the PPA will step up to the challenge?

 

[hagar]

yea we need to take some action  i agree not every 2km every 2,5 km  no serious they can look at that but we must all stand together

[hagar]

did anyone see the comments from the provincial government western cape. looks like getting signs up is going to be tough