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[Agteros]

I take this is your NP?

NP of 500 is world tour stuff!

[Jakkals.]

I take this is your NP?

 

all the programs are different, WKO+ and trainingpeaks normally the highest in terms of avg and NP compared to poweragent and golden cheetah. golden cheetah 3.1 release will be available some time next year, however v3.0 does everything.

[V12man]

I take this is your NP?

 

All the averages, normalised power etc are calculated by Training Peaks off the raw data - they don't use any of the calculations or stored averages in the device/file - this is because there are differences (minor) between how the calculations are done on the devices - and they want it consistent across all power meter suppliers

[Agteros]

Depends on the duration,... easy to do in a short burst... it's like Strava - easy to cheat if you are so inclined...

true.. assumption is 60min

Digital EPO is as big a fake as those calculated power stats on Strava (especially those calculated for downhill sections!)

[V12man]

NP of 500 is world tour stuff!

 

Depends on the duration,... easy to do in a short burst... it's like Strava - easy to cheat if you are so inclined...

[V12man]

true.. assumption is 60min

Digital EPO is as big a fake as those calculated power stats on Strava (especially those calculated for downhill sections!)

 

It's easy to have an NP of 500 - on a very short effort/recording - don't even need to adjust it digitally...

 

Strava annoys me because many of the segments have BADLY wrong gradients... one or 2 showing on my morning ride route are in the 20+ percent on Strava, and in reality I doubt the are 2%

[Jakkals.]

V12man, what program do you use to analyse data?

[V12man]

V12man, what program do you use to analyse data?

 

Aside from my brain.... Training peaks, Garmin connect and Training Center, and from time to time Strava for a real world view.

 

Don't forget that training/power based training is only 1 element of performance, genetics, race strategy, psychology, nutrition, tactics etc all play a role.

 

Unless you are capable of being really a top class performer, then you can use just about anything to get you 80 - 90% of the way there - and the little bit that is missing is of little value unless you are hunting the last 0.5% of performance - and no amateur lives in that zone generally... we still have to work to eat....

[Agteros]

It's easy to have an NP of 500 - on a very short effort/recording - don't even need to adjust it digitally...

 

Strava annoys me because many of the segments have BADLY wrong gradients... one or 2 showing on my morning ride route are in the 20+ percent on Strava, and in reality I doubt the are 2%

True, but for most of us (aiming for 100km races / marathons in MTB) 60min is the only really beneficial one, or at the lack of data 20 mins - using 95% to approximate 60 mins values. Very few of us are sprinters gunning for podiums / hotspots

 

My 2013 values (single highest at any time during the year, ho-hum as they are) needed to haul my lard-ass up the hills were - taken by WKO+ 3:

5sec: 1119

20 min: 321

60 min: 277

 

2012 were 1147,342 & 294

 

And this year I did not do any sub 3 races

[V12man]

True, but for most of us (aiming for 100km races / marathons in MTB) 60min is the only really beneficial one, or at the lack of data 20 mins - using 95% to approximate 60 mins values. Very few of us are sprinters gunning for podiums / hotspots

 

My 2013 values (single highest at any time during the year, ho-hum as they are) needed to haul my lard-ass up the hills were - taken by WKO+ 3:

5sec: 1119

20 min: 321

60 min: 277

 

2012 were 1147,342 & 294

 

And this year I did not do any sub 3 races

 

And how do you compare on total training time, distance, weight for the 2 years - the absolute numbers have some value, but the relative numbers / kg have more value - as an example...

[Jakkals.]

True, but for most of us (aiming for 100km races / marathons in MTB) 60min is the only really beneficial one, or at the lack of data 20 mins - using 95% to approximate 60 mins values. Very few of us are sprinters gunning for podiums / hotspots

 

My 2013 values (single highest at any time during the year, ho-hum as they are) needed to haul my lard-ass up the hills were - taken by WKO+ 3:

5sec: 1119

20 min: 321

60 min: 277

 

2012 were 1147,342 & 294

 

And this year I did not do any sub 3 races

 

Good FTP.

[V12man]

Good FTP.

 

Meaningless number actually - he could be 120kg....

 

I have seen guys average 340 during a 1 hour race - is that good or bad?

 

my point is - is that it is a relative measure that is important - so the 340 I mentioned above is for a 66kg lad.... and he is currently winning races....

 

One of my larger mates averages 340 easily for 1 hour - but he is as slow as a donkey... he is a BIG lad...

[Agteros]

And how do you compare on total training time, distance, weight for the 2 years - the absolute numbers have some value, but the relative numbers / kg have more value - as an example...

Agreed

This year, weight was/is up by about 6kg (to about 85kg) compared to last - not keeping a meticulous diary so watt/kg will be somewhat out, although I do get out of the "untrained" category in WKO+ on rare occasions...

 

 

Distances:

2012: 5900km

2013: 2700

 

Total training time (including a bit of running and strength/core work)

2012: 274 hours

2013: 194 hours

 

Here - 56day (2 month) periods - nothing spectacular to see here:

 

And as you've stated: First you need to train consistantly before you should start tuning it with all kinds of tools (HR/Power/Cadence/Programs/Coaches)

[Jakkals.]

I remember Rynhardt jv Rensburg saying, if you want to win races in SA you need to have an FTP of 330. (also depending on weight).

 

Hopefully my base miles will raise my FTP, keeping it high z2 and z3 for most rides over the holz.

[V12man]

Agreed

This year, weight was/is up by about 6kg (to about 85kg) compared to last - not keeping a meticulous diary so watt/kg will be somewhat out, although I do get out of the "untrained" category in WKO+ on rare occasions...

 

 

Distances:

2012: 5900km

2013: 2700

 

Total training time (including a bit of running and strength/core work)

2012: 274 hours

2013: 194 hours

 

Here - 56day (2 month) periods - nothing spectacular to see here:

 

And as you've stated: First you need to train consistantly before you should start tuning it with all kinds of tools (HR/Power/Cadence/Programs/Coaches)

 

I think you have answered your own questions about why you are not as strong as last year....

 

I have to go work, back later...

[Agteros]

I think you have answered your own questions about why you are not as strong as last year....

 

I have to go work, back later...

I know why: I bare rode my bicycles - never mind trained!

But it does clearly show the effect of non-training for those who want to do the reverse (start training)

 

Cheers, I need to go annoy a lawyer - they think just because they know processes, they are the only ones with brains and strategies. They are nothing but blunt instruments, only as powerful as the hand that wields them