Armstrong 1999 Urine samples - if RE-tested (vote)

[bruce]

If I were Lance I also wouldn't let them retest.  Where have those samples been, how have they been stored.

 

One of the better proposals I've heard is that 3 samples should be taken.  The third sample should be stored and tested at a laboratory of the athletes choice.

[ASTANA]

the french can be such a pain in the ass sometimes - let him ride - test he alot (lots of A samples to retest and retest) and if he succeeds without a post test - then good for him and the will remain the LANCE ARMSTRONG

[ASTANA]

One can freeze seemen from people and animals - and they seem to be working after a few years so I guess urine will also last that long and in good shape.

What if someone spike his urine sample just to f^&k everything up and frame him for EPO or steriods?? Could happen

ASTANA2008-10-07 03:14:48

[TheLegend]

 

One of the better proposals I've heard is that 3 samples should be taken.  The third sample should be stored and tested at a laboratory of the athletes choice.

Why is that the better proposal? Guess what the result would be from the lab of the athlete's choice!

 

[bruce]

One of the better proposals I've heard is that 3 samples should be taken.  The third sample should be stored and tested at a laboratory of the athletes choice.

Why is that the better proposal? Guess what the result would be from the lab of the athlete's choice!

 

Because it cuts out the argument that the labs are biased!  And if a lab changes a result because it is the athletes choice, that just proves the labs are not unbiased doesn't it?

[TheLegend]

 

 

One of the better proposals I've heard is that 3 samples should be taken.  The third sample should be stored and tested at a laboratory of the athletes choice.

Why is that the better proposal? Guess what the result would be from the lab of the athlete's choice!

 

Because it cuts out the argument that the labs are biased!  And if a lab changes a result because it is the athletes choice' date=' that just proves the labs are not unbiased doesn't it?

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and how does the lab prove then that the lab of the riders choice is biased or visa versa? That'd just lead to endless accusations, claims ...

Not a good solution.

But in any case, there'll always be claims that a probe was tempered with, not handled or stored correctly, opened and tested at the wrong time of day and all that stuff.

TheLegend2008-10-07 05:22:52

[PPWTF]

 

This will always be messy - anyone remember Deter Baumann and his, "my tooth paste was 'tampered' with explanation......

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/baumann-offers-reward-to-solve-tainted-toothpaste-doping-case-727954.html

 

Big Dick Pound (not my ideal source for an agenda free quote) "Most athletes, when they're caught, lie," Pound says today, the

disappointment still fresh on his face. "Their coaches lie. The people

around them lie. They just deny, deny, deny."

 

The lack of integrity some athletes and coaches show,the same as found in all walks of life, makes the battle to stamp out doping twice as difficult.

 

who knows what is best, but doing something to the best of professional ability is far preferable to sticking heads in sand or doing the dope testing badly (French Labs with agendas and poor professional standards - other peoples words not mine)

PPWTF2008-10-07 05:16:45

[TheLegend]

 

This will always be messy - anyone remember Deter Baumann and his' date=' "my tooth paste was 'tampered' with explanation......

[/quote']

 

ya, that was quite a creative one

 

[whitesox]

I spoke to a physiologist who is an expert on those kind of tests yesterday. He has no interest in cycling and no biased for or against LAnce Armstrong.

 

His expert opinion was that keeping samples frozen for nine years would certainly degrade them and yeild incorrect results...