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Hi All I think this is quite sad. For those unfamiliar this is the shop at Wolwespruit Trails in Pretoria

https://navworld.co.za/shop/garmin/sports-and-fitness/running-sports-and-fitness/running-accessories/garmin-quick-release-kit/?sfdr_ptcid=1875_617_572239627&sfdr_hash=73eb427ecf08df6d55469360a569c9bf&gclid=Cj0KCQjwgo_5BRDuARIsADDEntQPXJzCbsolbm-L_J89lmRJbgZUkyCztjLlmTrwjr72nJ6WWm2YHh8aAhyLEALw_wcB Does this work?

Just buy the QR straps/ They work on the watch as they are also 26mm like the Fenix 6X, 5X

Yea I am semi starting to feel the same. The Crossmark II is horrible. Had sidewall tears on 2 of them in the last 6 months so also semi in the market for "anything else"

Sorry bud but you cant be the "Little distributor" underdog in the market and the most expensive. Local distribution does exactly the same when the petrol price changes. "Ja the price of petrol hey" and then food go up by 10% ... When the fuel price comes down those same guys are dead quiet as the market has adjusted to pay the new price. 6 months later the prices still havent dropped and then you sit with the next increase... and that same guy goes "Ja the price of petrol hey, distribution is just tough" and they hike the price again If the price of Wahoo products are reliant on the exchange rate as so claimed the exchange rate has recovered and even lower that pre lock down rates now. So that would then justify the price to drop again to pre lock down prices when the next shipments come in but will that happen. No it wont. When the next spike of the exchange go up again expect them to do the exact same over valuing their own product on the same excuse. Exchange rates have been down to R17 to the dollar for 2 months. One thing you keep on forgetting is consistent business orders. Logisticly they have a future exchange rate they distribute on oin the contract that gaurantee the price regardless of the exchange rate. ALL MAYOR RETAILERS HAVE THIS. I can buy steel at the same price for a whole year based on negotiated supply and demand if I stick to the distribution channel minimum stock order levels and maintain the same price. What you are saying is they could not negotiate a price with the retailer based on a set distribution minimum stock order level. Sorry but I disagree with you here as then their business is set to fail and price gouging is just how it is from Wahoo Wahoo Fitness, after growing 235% in three years, lands on the Deloitte Fast 500 list https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2017/12/12/wahoo-fitness-after-growing-235-three-years-lands-deloitte-fast-500-list#.XyEeySgzaUk Claiming small company and gouging prices is a cool perception when you are using the exchange rate. Just like Apple makes you believe each year that the new iPhone is the best.

I think in fairness the Exchange rate isn't a good excuse though. When lock down hit due to no supply in SA the price on Wahoo products spiked by .... drum roll drrrrr tsss. 20%-25% per product across the range.(30-35% if you look at specials) This was discussed at length where ppl on this forum climbed into Wahoo and Chis gave the same explanation he did back then. When reflecting back on that thread and this one the same principles came to mind. 1. Prices went up overnight unlike the exchange rate that didn't and ALL Wahoo resellers IMMEDIATELY capitalized on it (This isn't directly Wahoo's fault but the 20-25% increase overnight lead to this... so it is actually Wahoo's fault. They could have gradually according to "exchange rate" increased the prices to the current levels to ensure the clients don't feel shafted) 2. No stock was available across SA apparently as Wahoo dont have a warehouse carrying stock like every other retailer in SA (sarcasm here) and every reseller that did have stock shafted the customers. What a way to build the brand though 3. All local stock was instantly sold at the higher price and NOT the original price due to "lockdown" (See point 1 as no thought went into the instant price markup. Like they say don't waste a good pandemic) Now to look at this retrospectively I was in the market for a smart trainer and wanted to buy a Suito Elite at that time but due to only Wahoo having stock in SA during lockdown (check point 2 above. Like Magic) I had to pay the "exchange rate tax" that have subsequently recovered back to pre lockdown rates. 18 March 2020 the exchange rate was R16.50 to the dollar as it is at the exact moment (Lock down only got announced on the 23rd and was enacted on the 26th of March) So look at what the price was on the 30th of March from CWC; Chris and please tell me with the same exchange rate you can justify the exchange rate as the reason a Kickr is R24999 vs R17999 (32.5597% increase), Core R17999 vs R12999 (32.2601% increase) and ofc the Snap R9999 vs R6999 (35.2983% increase) of the exact same exchange rate as it was at the time of these prices 3 months apart? Elite Suito are now available still at R16999 (Solomons Cycles) throughout lock down thats comparable to the Kickr 4 as it gets a cassette and have the same gradient and watt ratings. Seem like they managed the exchange rate a bit better. Tacx the same, Satori (Cycleops) the same... Only Wahoo felt the exchange rate and now? What now? Are we going to see a 20-25% reduction on Wahoo products now that the exchange rate has dropped below pre lock down rates? Probably not. Sorry but Wahoo might have a decent product but I don't like them for obvious reasons RRP at 30th of March 2020 was @ R17.91 to the dollar exchange rate Kickr 4.0 - R19,999 Core - R14,999 Snap - R7,999

Ja i'll ride anything as long as its not a Scott or Spez. I'm not cool enough for that crowd

Exactly. Life's to short to spend it wasting time making a coffee that tastes marginally better if at all. Had some horrible tasting barista grade coffee way to many times (MY OPINION) Spez is soos Scott... Elke avg Joe het een en nie een van hulle groet jou op die pad nie. I'll ride a Makro special 24" as long as I get to ride. Does the 180k bike make you better than the 15k bike. Maybe in your own head to justify the spend but it Depends on your fitness, endurance and leg strength and no fancy or expensive bike gives you that for free. The bike is but a tool to get you from A to B and YES certain bikes are better suite to do specific things. It is. As per the tread title though its about Coffee machines and not who is the best barista though even though it can qualify as a sub class i presume and still relevant to the topic. MY OPINION is that I have had many coffees across vast parts of the country and have had horrible experiences as well as good ones. FOR ME my machine with my coffee bean of choice is consistently giving me the same enjoyment with minimal effort, time spent and cost efficiency very very VERY consistently. Can I get a coffee that tastes better. Sure. Can it taste great for some and not others. Sure. Am I open to sit down and pay R30 odd for a proper coffee. Sure

By reading the "thread" all I got was some opinions about some titanium bladed grinder with some expensive toaster to roast his own beans with single or double boilers to make the most exquisite aroma of coffee that tastes 99% the same as every other bean to cup machine on the market when properly setup that takes less than 1 min to make the same coffee. For 99.999999% of the population when putting a 1 hour effort barista coffee against a bean to cup machine of 1 min that has been setup correctly they wont be able to tell them apart. Price vs Value vs Time the bean to cup machine wins hands down every time ... Unless you are jobless and have all the time in the world

Fantastic. On what do you disagree or is that a secret?

DeLonghi Magnifica Pronto - Mine is officially going on 6 years old with a avg of 8 cups a day over the period. Best investment I ever made and the day it breaks I go buy a new one the next day as the value over the time just cannot be beat. If you want coffee then Bean to cup is the only way... There is no other considerations. I usually go for the Moca Java 1kg beans from Woolies for R189 per bag as its naturally sweet and I don't need to add sugar to it. I still add Milk though as I'm not a savage

Ok thanks. Will give Omnico a call as they are the official partner for Stages in SA

100% I just want my outside and inside to be semi comparable. This morning I had a 90w difference on a interval. Sent the fit files to Stages to let me know the best course of action. Where would one go to have it tested?

Thats interesting. My 12 speed Sram chain works better than the 11 speed Sram chains on my 11 speed Sram setup.

For the life of me I cant figure it out. My Stages Left Crank Arm power meter is quite a lot higher than my Wahoo CORE. I created a Zwift 125w 15 min Custom workout to just hold the resistance on 125w and while the trainer is on that I measure the Stages on my Garmin and there is around a 30-61w higher jumping between 160w and 186w Stages also dont have a smoothing there so its all over the place on that range As you can see this is the Zwift chart. The flat lines are when I use the CORE control the Resistance at 125w and measure the watts. The middle section I switch to the Stages measurement to control the CORE and then the last bit back to CORE measurement This is just the measures directly to my Garmin from the Stages directly with no other intervention Both have been calibrated many times with the results staying the same. So Wahoo keeps on suggesting you need to just connect your Kickr with the External Power meter yet on Android (Enable "Control with ANT+ Power Meter" option) is not available in the Wahoo app. Any Suggestions?