Not wanting to divert attention away from the other thread about the cyclist who was killed (may you rest in peace, Nino. Prayers and best wishes to the family) I thought I would start a new discussion here and vent my frustrations. I am very new here and quite new to cycling but reading the above mentioned thread, I feel compelled to vent my frustrations on the whole issue. Firstly, with regards to making stricter laws about drunk driving. It's totally redundant. Criminals don't care about laws... Drinking and driving is already against the law, you can't make it more illegal and expect there to be any difference. The current limit is already at such a point where, in my opinion, being at the limit is hardly regarded as "drunk" for any person. I highly doubt that anyone who has had a single glass of wine would be impaired. Yes, you would be over the limit but does not make you intoxicated. Not too long ago, the limit was 3 times what it is now (I stand corrected) and it was still legal. My point is, 10 years ago one beer would be fine but now you are a criminal, yet you have had the same amount to drink and are in the same state of mind. Now,please do not misunderstand me in thinking that I am standing up for people who drink and drive. I'm simply pointing out that making it more illegal won't change the fact that people get smashed and drive anyway with total disregard of what the legal limit is. Secondly, drivers have no respect for cyclists (and motorcyclists) simply because the lack of respect is mutual. Take this from someone who is completely unbiased (I've always respected two wheel travelers and given more than enough room to pass, even before I started cycling). Just yesterday I was visiting the Specialized shop in Stellenbosch. Upon leaving, I was at the traffic light and as the light changed green, there was an entire group of cyclists consisting of about 15 cyclists who simply ignored the red light and cycled straight though the intersection. Now in the event that a driver had not noticed them and crossed into the the intersection when the light changed, a cyclist could have been seriously injured. In another instance last week, I was driving up a road where two cars could only just pass each other safely but with a group of cyclists riding two and three abreast across the left side of the road. I had to slow down to a near standstill to avoid hitting the oncoming vehicle or a cyclist who never even bothered riding in a single file as I passed. Two weekends ago I took n drive to Jonkershoek where I passed many cyclists riding two abreast on the road where they could easily have been on the path riding alongside the road or in a single file. Who would be responsible if a rider is hit in these instances? I see it very often that cyclists do not abide by the traffic laws and get hurt as a result thereof. Granted, this does not apply to most cyclists as I see more who follow the rules than what I don't. I find it particularly interesting that drivers hate cyclist and cyclists hate drivers. Perhaps we all need to be more tolerable of one another and work together? I realize that this post may place a target on my back but it's important to note that drivers don't simply not like cyclists for no reason. I am also very much aware of drivers making it dangerous for cyclists when it can be avoided and the cyclists are practicing safe riding. This certainly is a huge issue with both sides contributing. So, in closing, I would like to add that this in no way has anything to do with the cyclist who was killed as I was not there to see what happened. My comments are based on the comments of others. I would also like to add that I do very much agree that the punishment of drunk driving and/or hitting a cyclist should be taken very seriously and without any leniency. However, enforcement is the key and as long as criminals will get away with it, they will continue to do it and the sentencing is moot if the perpetrators are not caught. This is something that is out of our control and is the responsibility of the state to ensure effective law enforcement. In my opinion, they have failed us in this regard on many fronts. I don't wish to step on any toes or alienate myself, but I felt it was worth the discussion (though it has likely been discussed many times before here on the forum). As always, stay safe and happy riding.