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  1. What’s the vegan version of a tjop?
  2. Certainly. It's Friday and I liked the picture [emoji48] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. This is where data contradicts you. Trauma and road traffic and forensic registries show that, as a whole in vehicle related cycling accidents, mortality and injury severity scores are less.Let's apply a similar logic paradigm. If I go off to Afghanistan, and I wear a bullet proof vest, on whole would I be safer? Oh but if a tank shoots me I'd die either way, so it must be useless! Can we extrapolate Netherlands data to RSA? I don't think we can. Are there other factors at play that makes the Netherlands (apparently) safer? Certainly. There is strong evidence that higher cycling rates translates into lower per capita accident rates (not per kilometre rates as has been requested). Are helmets to blame for lower cycling rates outside the Netherlands? I don't think anyone can conclusively claim that with out inference and assumption. Lastly, there is no link in any of the articles provided that say that helmet use increases ACTUAL accident rates. Risk taking behaviour is even controversial in the articles themselves where the authors acknowledge that their data is contrary to preceding studies. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. No one here, I believe, would disagree with you that behaviour needs to change. I have a couple very interesting articles on alcohol use and cycling related deaths. Would these change yours or others habits of having a pint(or10) with the friends before/during/after a ride? I doubt it. Human nature doesn't work that way. As for risk modifying behaviour, one thing certainly works. That is consequence. Fall on your kop once, develop epilepsy and you'll always wear the helmet after that! HAPPY FRIDAY! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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  6. I certainly agree with you. But until accident rates are reduced, helmets will continue to reduce severity of head injuries.What the answer is when it comes to reducing accident rates, I don't know. But certainly something needs to change. I do agree that harsher policing and prosecution of vehicle related traffic offences is one factor, but it is most likely far deeper than that. There is a social issue in this country that seems to increase risk taking behaviour. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  7. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170105/22e2c5ac424fbfb2cc3a3e8d1d48ecb9.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170105/5eda0395728ac820665a57a3a24049ec.jpg In reference to the Australia vs Netherlands comparison you alluded to. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  8. Thanks for that, I certainly see where your argument arises.Here are my concerns: 1. This is lay media reporting on an interpretation of the literature. I would really like to see these studies. 2. Further issues are alluded to and I feel that there is a confusion of multiple variables. One such variable would be why are more accidents occurring? Is it increased traffic? Mobile phones? Cyclists wearing headphones? I certainly think that identifying these key variables is far more important. 3. Of these incidents that occur, where does the blame lie? Is it with the cyclist riding faster or is it the drivers not adhering to road rules? Again, possible (assumed) change in cyclists behaviour may or may not be a factor. Certainly when an incident DOES occur, higher speed = higher force = assumed greater severity of head trauma. There may be more factors in the cyclists speed. 4. Efficacy of bicycle helmets in limiting time in hospital, cost of hospitalisation and mortality is well documented. What the opening paragraph states is helmet use did not decrease hospitalisation rates (no mention of cost or length of stay) in people that already have had a head injury. 5. Cycle helmet design is (and this is my opinion) often structurally suboptimal. I would prefer more occipital and temporal coverage. Thus I can agree with the point raised that perhaps for certain directional forces, protection may be suboptimal. 6. The "New Zealand doctors" anecdotal comments are exactly that, anecdotal. The literature on limiting extent of cerebral injury is well documented in medical literature. Papers are still being published to support this stance, the most recent of which I can find was from Q3 2016. 7. The possibility of increased rotational force to the cranium and neck when subjected to a tangential force is, I believe, of concern especially with helmets with extra "hair room" related to the increased moment of the force. Has it been shown to increase severity of head injury when compared to helmet-less victims? I can not find data to support this. 8. Does lack of exercise contribute to increased cardiovascular mortality? Undoubtedly. Would losing the helmet requirement directly reduce cardiovascular death? I think the problems may be more multifactorial than that. 9. Using your example of the Netherlands, was their accident rate lower or their head injury severity lower? Helmets don't stop accidents, they are there to limit head injury severity if an accident occurs. This brings us back to the multifactorial components of bicycle safety. What do they do differently that is ACTUALLY decreasing their accident rate? I appreciate the discussion. Perhaps I am a little biased having seen my fair share of severe head injuries. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170105/c82878d120170a2f17f6c1e03babcdde.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170105/d68911c00451fe96e5b9ae6ef50d86bf.jpg I suspect this is one of the links you couldn't open Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  10. This is certainly the key. I feel that this may be a different discussion (but far more important) than the one raised here.My concern is, as was mentioned before, that cyclists disregard for the law does not in fact improve the cyclists safety nor does it improve cyclist/motorist relations. The two conversations are most likely the same core issue. Realising that adherence to laws is not "optional" and that if laws are broken consequences must ensue in order to limit future risk taking behaviour in society as a whole. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  11. In this country, a single beer (330ml) will not put you over the legal limit.Yes, I call out people who drink and drive. I deal with traumatic brain injuries often, and the consequences of which can be devastating. This is not an injury to be trifled with. Follow up review of the data on the walker study that was mentioned found his data to be overstated and likely misinterpreted. The most revealing aspect of his published study seems to be proximity of cars to the rider related to rider distance from the curb... oh, and colour of the car. Meta-analysis of trauma data clearly shows a lower ACCIDENT risk in helmet wearers, thus a lower risk of all incidents. There is no controlled trial that I can find that shows an increase in risk taking behaviour when wearing helmets. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. I certainly have not found any articles from reputable, peer reviewed sources that contradict any and all of these studies. I would really appreciate a link to your studies, if there is contradictory evidence I would (completely honestly) like to read them. My apologies about the links not working, I have been copying from a subscription site. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  13. Although, have a look at the studies I've listed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24158210/?i=24&from=/26786638/related Here they state that wearing a helmet may in fact be an indicator of safer riding practices... logic does correlate with observational studies! [emoji851] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25871491/?i=2&from=/26786638/related https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24158210/?i=8&from=/25871491/related https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26254573/?i=2&from=/24158210/related https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8971066/?i=4&from=/26254573/related The list goes on, but I think this covers most of your points of contention Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  15. The logic of asking to prove efficacy in a CURRENT controlled trial is flawed. Where would one get ethical clearance. Secondly the cause of death in vehicle and non-vehicle related accidents is varied. If my thorax is sufficiently compromised, I will die regardless of whether I am wearing a helmet. The primary role of a helmet is to mitigate external force applied to the head. If I fall off my bike at even relatively low speed, without a helmet I may still suffer an injury. Whether this is superficial, a fracture, a subdural or intracerebral bleed or diffuse axonal injury. The force applied can not always be linearly related to degree of injury sustained. If I am wearing a helmet, the extent of my injury would likely be reduced or favourably modified. Lastly, let me ask you if any "intervention of unlawful activity" can be proven to reduce or modify the unlawful activity at that point or as a whole? But I can certainly say that if I was being robbed, I would EXPECT someone to intervene if they had the opportunity. Likewise if I speed, I EXPECT to be caught and, if I receive a fine, it is a clear consequence of my actions. If I don't wear a helmet I should EXPECT a reprimand/reminder/fine and accept such as a consequence of an unlawful act. Final note, would you be able to critically analyse any research into modification of mortality or morbidity with regards to helmet wearing? In an unbiased scientific way, of course... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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