Prestige Ulltra

[boots10]

I totally agree with you. It seems that all that matters now is money, money, money. At 70.3 they are chasing records to see how many athletes they can get and therefor safety is second priority. Look at this year as bunches came past on the bike. Drafting was at the order of the day and that just because the organizers wanted more money.

[Garfield2010]

Thats true! At one point I thought it was the Argus in a 45km headwind!! And bunch riding with Tri bars is of course always a good idea.......

[B-Active Sports]

There is something like that in the pipe line BIG ED, but its a process and will take time. Only one controlling body is allowed by Nocsa (Olympic Committee) and the Dept of Sport and Rec. So TSA is it.

 

Here are some of the costs below that are stated in the new TSA sanctioning forms (remember if you are not sanctioned, TSA can call the Dept of Sport who inturn can call SAPS to close down you event on the day)

 

HOSTING FEES:

Hosting fee for a Provincail event: R5000.00

Hosting Fee for National Event: R20 000.00

Hosting fee for International: R30 000.00

(This is just to let you put your race on, you get nothing for this)

 

REGIONAL SANCTIONING FEES / LEVIES:

Sprint Race: R15pp

STD / Olympic: R25pp

Long Dist: R50pp

 

NATIONAL SERIES SANCTIONING FEES :

Sprint: R40pp

STD / Olympic: R50pp

Long Dist: R80pp

 

BROADCASTING FEE:

To flight your event on TV, you must pay TSA R7500.00 ... for what? They should pay you to help with the R60 000 Broadcasting and production costs. Serious problem and lack of throught here.

 

DAY LICENCES:

R70 per athlete

(Event organisers are responsible to collect all day licence money) - TSA won't even send someone there to collect their OWN money.

 

 

What do Event organisers get:

• Officials to manage Safety of the athletes and the winners
  
• Public Liability for the event (which could be bought for R3000.00 from any insurance company)
  

This all comes directly from the TSA sanction forms and is public knowlegde and should be shown to the athletes who actually make up the sport.

 

TSA also controls any triathlon / duathlon, paddle / swim and any Off road event.

Edited February 10, 2012 by B-Active Sports

[ricochet_rabbit]

There is something like that in the pipe line BIG ED, but its a process and will take time. Only one controlling body is allowed by Nocsa (Olympic Committee) and the Dept of Sport and Rec. So TSA is it. However Profiteering off events and making it inaccessible is not fair trade and therefore brings the sport into disrupute.

 

Here are some of the costs below that are stated in the new TSA sanctioning forms (remember if you are not sanctioned, TSA can call the Dept of Sport who inturn can call SAPS to close down you event on the day)

 

HOSTING FEES:

Hosting fee for a Provincail event: R5000.00

Hosting Fee for National Event: R20 000.00

Hosting fee for International: R30 000.00

(This is just to let you put your race on, you get nothing for this)

 

REGIONAL SANCTIONING FEES / LEVIES:

Sprint Race: R15pp

STD / Olympic: R25pp

Long Dist: R50pp

 

NATIONAL SERIES SANCTIONING FEES :

Sprint: R40pp

STD / Olympic: R50pp

Long Dist: R80pp

 

BROADCASTING FEE:

To flight your event on TV, you must pay TSA R7500.00 ... for what? They should pay you to help with the R60 000 Broadcasting and production costs. Serious problem and lack of throught here.

 

DAY LICENCES:

R70 per athlete

(Event organisers are responsible to collect all day licence money) - TSA won't even send someone there to collect their OWN money.

 

 

What do Event organisers get:

• Officials to manage Safety of the athletes and the winners
  
• Public Liability for the event (which could be bought for R3000.00 from any insurance company)
  

This all comes directly from the TSA sanction forms and is public knowlegde, and should be shown to the athletes who actually make up the sport.

 

TSA also controls any triathlon / duathlon, paddle / swim and any Off road event... so that have a monopoly on it all!!

HOSTING FEE - what a load of bollocks. They should be giving you incentives to host races on their behalf. TSA should NOT be allowed to charge this. They should only be entitled to a day license fee (R70 is quite steep) and a per person levy on the event.

It's no small wonder that there are so few events. Maybe if they removed the hosting fee there would be more events and they would actually be able to grow the sport and get their revenue through increased participation.

[Garfield2010]

And what do we get in return from TSA for this? And what happens to the Lotto grants TSA is also getting?

 

This sport has now become a "rich mans" sport. I am done with this after 7 years of tri-ying. I entered the Deloittes marathon. thats an 5 hour event with more waterpoints than any tri event anywhere as well as road closures and it cost me R120. (DAY licences INCLUDED)

 

Now I know there are more entries in a run race but what about last weekend when the entry was R500 and they only had to close down 5km's of a single traffic lane and put up one sponsored water pointed in the whole race!?

[Garfield2010]

Can someone who knows someone from TSA please inform them of this thread so they get a fair chance to respond? Maybe we are missing something and people are getting worked up now. (wait until Gripen & DaveM arrives)

Edited February 10, 2012 by Garfield2010

[B-Active Sports]

Latest update...

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Update 10 February

 

TSA and CGT are pleased to announce that the issues in respect of the Prestige Ultra Triathlon event scheduled for 19 February 2012 at Abrahamsrust have been resolved. The event will take place as originally scheduled with SA Championship status and as co-selection race for the TSA Team to be selected. Spectrum Sport wish to apologise for any inconvenience caused due to prior non compliance of event and hosting requirements.

 

Event Organisers are reminded to comply with event and hosting requirements or run the risk of events being cancelled

 

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Edited February 10, 2012 by B-Active Sports

[Garfield2010]

Can someone post a list of races that TSA does not sanction?

 

The upcoming Sasol Series? Buffelspoort Ultra?

[ZaRuK]

Unfotunately it would seem that this kind of financial crap happens in more then just 1 sport... I used to be involved with motorcycle racing and the same comments were made about MSA and what exactly it is that they did for the competitors.

 

They(MSA) recently lost a court case around being the "sole" motorsport body for the country: http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPPHC/2011/210.html

 

One wonders if this could possibly set a precedent for future disputes with so called governing bodies...

[Garfield2010]

OK please answer me one question:-

 

Why do I have to pay a day license fee if I take part in the 70.3 next weekend or at Buffelspoort or the Midmar for that matter? What jurisdiction does TSA have over those distance races? They have nothing to do with the Olympics or anything. If you want Las Vegas slots then the IM in EL was the race to do that.

 

I can understand the Olympic distance, but not the 70.3?

[B-Active Sports]

Garfield, TSA owns and controls anything that looks, sounds and smells like a triathlon or duathlon, on road and off the road.

 

TSA's role is important for the sport, but the way they are going about raising funds to finance there association is wrong in my view. Event organisers and competitors are their source of income, so by charging us with high fees.. they are actually screwing themselves, however they will only realise this once its too late.

Edited February 11, 2012 by B-Active Sports

[gadget]

Garfield, TSA owns and controls anything that looks, sounds and smells like a triathlon or duathlon, on road and off the road.

 

TSA's role is important for the sport, but the way they are going about raising funds to finance there association is wrong in my view. Event organisers and competitors are their source of income, so by charging us with high fees.. they are actually screwing themselves, however they will only realise this once its too late.

 

It's like the Guvvament! If you make some money, they tax it! Add no (some) value

Edited February 13, 2012 by gadget

[Thug]

I was fortunate last year to make the SA duathlon team for the world champs. What did TSA offer in terms of sponsorship towards the cost? Absolutely nothing! In fact, I actually had to pay them for the privilege of being selected.

[mrmed]

So, I'm packed for tomorrow. Anyone know the water temperature?

[mrmed]

So, did everyone enjoy the little tiff between Louis and the TSA officials before the race?

 

I think it was unprofessionally handled by both parties, but interesting that the TSA official/s appeared to want to use force to take the mike away from Louis.

 

My feeling is we need both TSA and race organisers, but they're going to have to find some way to get along.

 

Great race, Louis, I'll be back.

 

To the guys who heard my foul language when I missed a turn (no marshal and I missed the sign board) and ran 500m extra, SORRY

[B-Active Sports]

Wow... this is interesting... got any more details?

 

TSA is not making any friends and as mentioned before there is something in the pipeline which kicks off soon. If TSA think they can use force, is won't bode well for them being the "controlling body"

 

So how was the rest of the race guys??