Tubeless - again.

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

rock, that crossmarks will last many years. Its a tractor tire on a mtb.

 

 

 

When you go to the lighter compound ones like, phyton lights etc... You not only pay a arm and a leg, but I guess, you will be lucky to get 3000km on gravel, if you use it on tar as well, its gone by 2500km.

 

 

 

Lastly on the 4 options:

 

 

 

If you can afford it, go tubeless rims with tubeless tires and stans in it.

 

 

 

If not, go for the conversion, but stick with a UST tire.

 

 

 

Last year just before "the Hell" I tried to be smart, so I baught the conti supersonic twisters (weigh about 350gram, i think, but not tubeless.

 

 

 

So, I put it on the tubeless Crossmax rims, gooi the stans and tried to seal it, it kept on loosing air through the thin sidewall, and had to pump it the second day.

 

 

 

So, I'm now using those tires on my tubeless rims but with a tjoop in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fandacious]

So after all this talk.. whats the verdict? tubes with sealant or tubeles??

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

whats your budget ..... to spend on going "tubeles"?

[fandacious]

So min as moontlik...

[JasonW]

Stans + normal tyres, but as others have said you risk sidewall cuts. Have been using stans and normal for about three years now and have discovered:

 

1.Conti twister supersonics - about 350 g but will tear after about 10 seconds of riding. Also very sketchy in SA conditions.

2.Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - about 450 g. very nice, but very expensive and also quite weak.

3.Maxxis Mimos - also about 450g and (touch wood) not had a single problem. Last surprsining long.

4.Kenda SB8 - about 500g nice low rolling resistance for the back wheel. Side wall did eventually fail, but only after a lot of riding. New one is (touch wood) holding up fine.

 

Has anybody used the Bontrager sealant ready tyres? Also look like a good option

[NotSoBigBen]

http://www.mtbbritain.co.uk/tubeless_tyres.html

 

Some easy reading regarding going tubeless .......

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

normal mtb rims , stans tubeless conversion, with normal tires (not UST)

 

 

 

BUT CHEAPER:

 

 

 

Normal mtb rims, Tjoops with sludge and normal tires - non ust tires

 

 

 

(if its al about cheap way out for punctures)

 

 

 

[NotSoBigBen]

Popeye must you remind me of the cost of those Crossmark LUST's

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

sorry oubie

 

 

 

 

[SRBVI]

Yes' date=' The Captain kicks mucho ass, is what he's trying to say.[/quote']

 

The Captains are great, managed to cut a side wall on the one on only its second ride  replace it with a new one and havent looked back. My previous set of wheels had bontragers on Stans converted rims and not one puncture in the 2 years I had them on the bike.

[Imtb]

Are Maxxis CrossMark really that bad in mud - I have a coice for Sani either the Maxxis or Kenda Karma. In what way are Maxxis CrossMark LUST bad in mud?

[Dicky DQ]

Are Maxxis CrossMark really that bad in mud - I have a coice for Sani either the Maxxis or Kenda Karma. In what way are Maxxis CrossMark LUST bad in mud?

 

Haven't read the whole thread, but here is my 2ZAR's.

 

Maxis CrossMark - Exelent all round but SH!T IN MUD, i say again SH!T in mud.

 

Regarding going Tubless the following works wel for me:

 

Take 1 x normal MTB rim, apply 2 x layers if insulation tape over the existing rim tape,

Insert 1 x tubless valve,

Use recomended amount of Stans (I know this one works) or any other sealant.

install 1 x Tubless tyre (I have used normal tyresm but the sidewalls seem a but thin and this cost me more than 2 hrs worth of pain in the Attekwas) and you are ready to go.

 

Promise!!!!!!! It works!!!!!!!!!!!

[Racer X]

I reckon that the best way is to go, if money is not an issue that is, is to go for UST rims, (Mavic XM 819's or the Stans Olympic ZTR) simply because you do not have to battle with rims strips and your tyre of choice. Other wise just go the conversion route, both work well. 

 

I must admit that I use tubeless Slim, the green stuff, as I find that Stan's/Joe's sealent causes the sidewalls of ordinary tyres to stick together when you deflate them, just my 2c.  

[mountain_lion]

 

If you do the conversion properly then you will not have problems ! From all the mails and posts I have read it is very clear that half the people don't know how to do this job ! If you do it right you can even make your wheelbarrow tubeless !!!

 

Agree with this.

Have a look at how Stan does the conversion himself:

http://www.notubes.com/support_movies.php

 

When converting to tubeless using standard tyres, the shaking and laying flat is important.

 

I have been running tubeless for a year now and no problems.

First converted the non-UST tyres that came with the bike, but did not like them and got the Cross Mark LUST. (still have to see how they do in real mud, but very nice in the dry).

 

Just converted Mrs. Mountain_lion's MTB too with Kenda Karma USTs.

@R299 each, it was worth it to go UST rather than standard tyre.