Edition 507 Posted May 10, 2008 Share I challenge every hubber to read the book "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins or peruse his website www.richarddawkins.net and then return to the hub and debate religion.Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantani Posted May 10, 2008 Share 6w kg-1h-1Hmm... I can do that... I think.. Just give me 12 months... On EPO! Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaccelari Posted May 10, 2008 Share I challenge every hubber to read the book "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins or peruse his website www.richarddawkins.net and then return to the hub and debate religion.Deal?And once we've done that and reached agreement, can we go onto politics and sex?Not necessarily in that order... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRev Posted May 10, 2008 Share Mr Plod, quantum physics has been give the credit for many things that it has allegedly helped develop, so was the elliptical orbit of electrons, or the wave nature of light. Sometimes it takes us a while to realise that the earth is not flat, and that there is no cat in the tree we have been barking up(just like Bohr did), 'cause Schroedinger put the bloody thing in his box! BTW - giving credit where not due, Noddy was accused of lowering moral standards in the UK a few years back, remember him and Big Ears live together. Not everything is as it seems. TheRev2008-05-10 05:08:15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantani Posted May 10, 2008 Share I challenge every hubber to read the book "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins or peruse his website www.richarddawkins.net and then return to the hub and debate religion.Deal? Hahahaha CarbonBoy... You take the cake my china! I still want to know how much you paid into the kitty to crack the nod! Hehehehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edition 507 Posted May 10, 2008 Share CarbonBoy... You take the cake my china! I still want to know how much you paid into the kitty to crack the nod! Hehehehe... Well I certainly did not crack the nod with my cycling talent! Must have been my good looks, charm, wit and 'faith' in my own abilities as a decent racing cyclist because there has certainly not been any 'evidence' to substantiate it thus far.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaccelari Posted May 10, 2008 Share I enjoy the teachings of the 4 apostles....... John....Paul......George......and RINGO!!!!!And now for the million dollar question:Who was the fifth apostle?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaccelari Posted May 10, 2008 Share Mr Plod' date=' quantum physics has been give the credit for many things that it has allegedly helped develop, so was the elliptical orbit of electrons, or the wave nature of light. Sometimes it takes us a while to realise that the earth is not flat, and that there is no cat in the tree we have been barking up(just like Bohr did), 'cause Schroedinger put the bloody thing in his box! BTW - giving credit where not due, Noddy was accused of lowering moral standards in the UK a few years back, remember him and Big Ears live together. Not everything is as it seems. [/quote']They are all theories that explain the (currently) inexplicable in terms we candeal with - either logically or mathematically. Onto more important subjects:Yep - and not only did they get banned from blikseming the golliwogs on a regularbasis, but the golliwogs also got banned for being a racist caricature. They've beenreplaced with the bloody goblins... Except Noddy doesn't sort them out. I reckon BigEars got him in contact with his feminine side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRev Posted May 10, 2008 Share that is all reality is, "terms we can deal with", that is why i love faith, it forces me to think outside the box, and trust the truths that others have found to be good, without having to prove them for myself. thanks for the mental stimulation Mr Plod TheRev2008-05-10 05:37:40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRev Posted May 10, 2008 Share btw, your website is an amazing example of minimalism, I hope that was the school you were going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delgado Posted May 10, 2008 Share I enjoy the teachings of the 4 apostles....... John....Paul......George......and RINGO!!!!!And now for the million dollar question:Who was the fifth apostle?" Neil?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH Posted May 10, 2008 Share if you stating categorically that there is no God then that is statement of fact and you need to provide reason. You can't simply hide behind the fact that you statement alludes to an absence of something. Can you not see your hypocrisy? You complain about people being told what to think and believe' date=' and yet you are the one insisting there is no God and anyone who believe in God lacks the power to reason. You have not provided a reasoned argument to back up your faith.[/quote'] No. I am not insisting that everyone believe that there is no God, I am saying that I personally don't believe in God. You absolutely have the right to believe in whatever you want and to argue that belief. Not questioning, not asking for evidence, makes you susceptible to the influence of those with a vested interest (money/power) in whatever your faith is based upon. Look at the suicide bombers in the Middle East blowing themselves up seemingly every other day, look at the 'God hates Homosexuals' bunch. Look at Scientologists (aliens for goodness sake). Their faith is no doubt unshakeable, and we are asked to respect it as such even though it's clearly insane. I'm fully aware that they are extreme examples but potentially exposing yourself to such influence can't be healthy. If people need comfort, surely there are other sources than just effectively saying to yourself 'Everything is fine because I said so'.I believe that the occasional warm fuzzy feeling that people profess to get when they indulge in their group ignorance is not worth all the hate, death and torture that results from faith. The common argument is that their faith is based on the rules of their religion. EG The Bible. But that's not the same as faith, is it? That's the set of instructions for a belief structure that MUST be obeyed, and as such, is rubbish. An individual's faith doesn't need a set of books to explain why it is unquestionably right. It just needs to comfort the person who has that faith, and for that purpose only I will agree that faith has a place in society. Having said that I don't believe that faith should confer on a person any more rights than those afforded to someone who believes in hypnotism or acupuncture as a comfort mechanism. Things that render the existence of God/s highly unlikely. No group of people who haven't met others have ever come up with the same God/s as another people.The universe is entirely deterministic, there are no particles found that do not act according to the Laws of Physics. This, by definition, leaves no room for the supernatural.Nothing bad happens to you if you don't believe, beyond things done by those who do.Religious believers as a group have exactly the same susceptibility to disease and accident as non-believers, despite all those prayers Either way, I'm sure a cliquey bunch of cyclists hashing the matter out over a couple of days on an interweb forum are not going to come to the conclusion that hundreds of generations of humans have failed to reach. And girls can't do religion either. Except nuns. They're hot.And the Vicar of Dibley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euraquila Posted May 10, 2008 Share I am one of the fools who believe in God. And I love Him and I love loving Him. I understand exactly why some of you are saying things about 'the faith' and about Him. I was there too. But - you'll meet Him one day - and you will become a fool too! And then you will understand His reality outside of what you can now see. I know that I know that I know, HE quite simply is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonW Posted May 10, 2008 Share Look, the bottom line is that it is irrational to believe in something for which there is no scientific or evidentiary proof. It is not a question of knowing whether a god exists or believing whether a god exists. The question you must ask is whether there is any evidence of a god's existence. Clearly there isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delgado Posted May 10, 2008 Share "For those who believe no proof is necessary!For those who don't... no amount will suffice!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonW Posted May 10, 2008 Share "For those who believe no proof is necessary! For those who don't... no amount will suffice!!!" , but I'll make do with a little! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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