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Try it ;-), its extremely short lived, I am talking about specifically through exercise, it does not give u any sustainability, most companies actually use fructose to bring down the GI factor of a drink, combining it with a sucrose, or MD to lower the response, but the testing done on fructose alone in sport has not yielded good results, the graph tapers off suddenly with no real elevation in blood glucose. I think fructose is better served as a sugar replacement, which I use it for, in food, baking etc. One thing though is there is a lot of debate around fructose being a immune system inhibitor, this is something that is of concern but probably needs to be researched more thoroughly. later M

Bikemonster, you play around with your nutrition which is great, the majority of people out there dont, they look to a product and say, out of box this will save me. You have gone and found the right amount of glucose balance for your particular level of training and fitness, even mentioning the different dilutions for short and long rides demonstrates that. As they say, it you feel it works for you and you are happy with it then no need to change. I sometimes tend to forget about the times and distances that some people do, and I guess, level of fitness and endurance plays that part, and maybe I am extreme in some cases, but for me, I hate eating on my rides, I go out with 2 to 3 bottles of liquid, 32Gi in 2 of them maybe water in the 3rd or more 32Gi, and stay out for between 6-7 hours on my long rides. My shortest rides are 2 hours, and those are either 1 bottle of 32Gi or just a decent pre-training snack, like a slice of toast and jam, and then water only. Racing is a different story all together, but if you get to understand and know your body well, under different conditions you can find the right recipe that works for you, I guess that is really key. Our drink is not just for pro-athletes or endurance sportsmen, its also for the average joe who wants an energy drink during the day without the fear of weight gain ;-) or for the parent who does not want their children bouncing off the wall, or for the diabetic who wants a stable supply, of energy without the dreaded spike. all the best M

Hi Topwine good to see you around again ;-) I agree with a lot of what has been said above, I would like to just add a few cents worth, LOL, totally agree with everything, but there are some issues, On the aspect of low GI pre-race or training, I need to stand firm, in that the results we alone have seen from our pro-athletes switching to low GI sources has proven itself. We had 4 ultra marathon records broken this year, and aside from training, the nutrition became very very strict, these athletes have been able to really give a high level of performance on a very small amount of glucose, and what we have seen is that their training regimen has been similar to previous years, but their nutrition has changed quite a lot, there are many articles and research in favour of low GI, but I guess again we all need to see what works for us, but from a personal level, we have seen major differences in all our athletes and children when low GI is introduced into their diets. As for fructose the GI actually ranges between 12-25 depending where it comes from, but 19 is the standard, 32 is a fair bit higher on the index. Also fructose can not be used for energy, it does not peak, it tapers off immediately, taking in fructose as a source of energy will fatigue u very quickly in an endurance event. all the best M

Ok Bike Monster, back in the office, Well to put it simply and others can share their opinion its an interesting debate, but the just of it is, An Isotonic drink is more balanced in electrolytes, and has a level of both this and carbohydrates which provide the replacement of lost fluids caused by sweating, this has always been the drink of choice for most athletes. Hypotonic drinks on the other hand, have a very low level of carbohydrate, but assist with fluid replacement not a great shoice for an endurance sport such as cycling or running, probably better for motor car racing. Hypertonic drinks of course contain usually a much higher level of carbohydrate and I would say is great as a recovery drink, but some do tend to use it during sport. Not sure, what you consider 32Gi to be but its definitely Isotonic range. As far as electrolyte levels go we use the standard hydration amounts, which you would find in say a rehydrate etc. Drinks aside, what we tend to see a lot in the industry is athletes speaking highly of energy drinks and cramping causes. BUT, I hate to break it and the pro's will tell you as well the main reason for this is 1. Racing at an intensity you are not training at, and this does not mean hard pace only, it could mean a lower pace than training at, in other words utilizing muscles you would not normally utilize during training. 2. Over hydration, taking in too much liquid can cause the effect of cramping by diluting your electrolyte levels. Now here is an interesting topic for debate, and you should see Dr Ross Tuckers research on this, but they have shown sweat to be hypotonic. Which is very interesting, it means that the more you sweat the more concentrated your sodium and potassium levels become because u r losing more liquid than electrolytes, meaning your electrolyte levels are concentrated and not diluted, its a fascinating study you should have a read. http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/muscle-cramps-part-1-theories-and.html I am not sure any of this answers your questions, but if you are watering down your Game chances are if you are taking in more liquid than balanced electrolytes, I feel you are putting yourself out there to cramping susceptibility, what kind of levels does Game have. all the best Mark

Lol the ton was an expression really to emphasise sugar abuse, I deal with families and nutrition and you will be surprised at the amount of bad sugar on average taken in on a daily basis from breakfast to sleep time anyway will respond to your question when back at the office, all the best M

Hi Wobbles, I think u confused me as well LOL, you of course need to find what works for you. 32Gi is a low GI product whereas the others are high GI, and there is a huge difference between them. It really boils down nutrition, not just daily but pre and druing an event. You see when taking in a high GI substance such as GU or Cytomax as mentioned you put a load of readily available glucose into your blood stream, not all of this is taken up and the balance cast aside is basically stored as fat. I think the issue out there is except for a small % of people most dont know what the appropriate amount of glucose they need to take in, and most overload, everyone is unique so experimentation is key, but a lot of guys out there exercising are actually putting on weight as opposed to staying in shape due to not understanding their nutrition needs properly. 32Gi is very different, it does the opposite it only releases small amounts of glucose into the blood stream, and promotes fat store tapping for the balance, being able to tap your fat stores really means u r utilizing efficient fuel, but by putting any high GI substance into your body at all will totally nullify this process meaning you are solely dependent on the readily available glucose for energy. To be honest a lot of people are so dependent on energy drinks to put them through a session, but a lot of our athletes including myself can go easily 3-4hours at a medium intensity on water alone, and the only reason is that we have pushed the sugar aside and trained our bodies to be far more efficient at sparing glycogen and utilising our fat stores. Its the way we were created, and the way a bushman or aborigine would cross a desert for hours and hours without anything but water. Its for sure a healthier way of living and training. If you look at the average man through an entire year he could pump easily more than a ton of sugar into his body without realizing it, its just no the way we were meant to be, we have just become too accustomed to it. Thought this might be interesting to you, Lifestyles aside, can you tell me how long you went on the ride for? all the best M

Mohamed Benaziza was another that used to get down that low, he collapsed on stage during The Dutch Grand Prix IBBF Champs and died of a heart attack, in my days the lowest I ever got on stage was 3.8% or so, its bloody damn hard, and like climbing everest.

I dont own a TV so never got to see it, they are supposed to be running it 8 or 9 times over the next fw weeks, will ask them for the DVD, short and sweet I guess ...

I know him well, he is one of 32Gi's customers, thats why you could not catch him

Hi Edman, thats a strange result, as the legs tend to carry less body fat, in actual fact its why a 7 point test is far better as the legs tend to lower the overall %, never heard of this scan but will check it out ..............

When I said that it was just with reference to fat required for organ function, without it your heart will stop beating. and by, the way water displacement test is extremely accurate, ;-)

Hey Luke, its bloody hard, which is why I am a nutritional consultant today, it took a long time. My diet is really solid, people think I am a freak with it, but its not just that. My training is targeted to more slow twitch fiber movement, to reduce the density and improve endurance. For someone that used to bench press 180kg and squat around 300, I can barely bench my body weight today ha ha. I dont touch weights, I did an experiment a last year to test muscle memory, I did 10 days of strength training, I checked my body fat and weight before embarking on this exercise and I was at 68kg, 7.9% fat. 14 days later, my weight was 70.4kg and my fat was down to 7.6%. I dont regret the fact that I did the heavy weights, I actually am glad I woke up early in life, most of my training partners or colleagues have medical conditions and some have passed away, from the effects of all the nonsense the body had to endure, its great to hear you went the aerobic route. I think endurance triathlons is what really made the difference in my body, specifically the running and my strength comes from interval session and swimming. I find the sport makes me far more all rounded, and I feel better now than I did at age 24. So not sure if there are youngsters reading this, but remember the most important muscle in your body is your heart ;-). If you want some advice on the eating pop me an email I will see if I can help, and no, I wont charge, just here to help my peers. later M

For the 2% thats borderline death my friend, 3% is heart fat, I know guys who have dropped dead from this beware. As for the dietician, +-8% is prime for racing

Mark 174cm , 67.6kg 5.86% - 7.2% (depending on where in the season) been there for 3 years, Age, nearly 40+ category watch out, lol, but the interesting thing is I used to weigh 112kg at 10% yeah stupid power lifting days, took years to strip the muscle hardest thing i ever did. Nutrition nutrition nutrition.......... and triathlon ;-)

Hi All, just a note TONIGHT at 18h55 on DSTV Channel 201, Supersport 1, SS1 32Gi will be on television in a short interview, with the Captain of the Bedford runners club, in support of the Sports Trust. You can see MDW in the flesh now and throw stones at me if you wish LOL ...... Seriously the Sports Trust is a great initiative to help underprivileged communities and athletes and we feel its a really worth while cause to support. all the best M

Hi all, latest stockist list is updated, 100 stores country wide now stocking 32Gi and growing, will be updating again at the end of the week as 6 or 7 more have placed orders. STOCKIST LIST

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Hi there, 1.5 litres for me is ok for a 5-6 hour ride, dont need more. I dont train much on liquid my body seems to have adapted that way, workouts of 1.5hours or less I dont take water, just drink 300ml's before hand an go out whether a run or a ride. I tend to follow Dr Ross Tucker on the sweat theory of it being hypotonic meaning as you sweat salt concentration levels actually increase, testing they have done has shown more water than salt coming out, and so from a cramping point of view well I have not suffered from this. I take in about 250ml per an hour, yes I finish slightly dehydrated, but I find that this is when i perform at my best. The rule of thumb is if you can quantify the sweat you lost in weight then you need to replenish it with the amount lost. I think in all honesty most people over hydrate. In humid conditions I lose a lot more sweat but up here in the highveld I dont tend to sweat as much. I did the scientific thing weighing myself before and after workouts in different conditions trying to assess the amount of liquid lost and over the years I have my rate. The other thing to remember is the body can only absorb so much liquid per an hour, due to an effect known as gastric emptying. I am not an expert in this field but I have researched a lot about it. Depending on the type of drink you take the higher the amount of glucose the slower the rate of gastric emptying meaning, the body cannot really handle more liquid for absorption until then. The key factor with the energy drink is the weight per volume concentration of carbs. So basically when selecting a drink an athlete should tend to go for one that has the ability to empty rapidly from the stomach. Something very interesting from research done with gastric emptying is that the more additives, the higher glucose the slower the gastric emptying rate which they point to as the bodies instinctive need to take in more water as you dont feel you are getting enough. But take this away and the gastric emptying rate speeds up allowing the body to absorb more liquid. In simple terms and energy drinks contents itself can determine how the body actually responds to the amount of liquid we feel we require. I guess we just complicate matters lol. So experimentation during training is best to find the right nutrition intake, food and liquid. all the best Mark

Hope i provided some value all the best M

Hi David, saw the post and thought maybe i could assist, anyway just wanted to point out lactic acid resides in the blood stream wont impact your digestive tracts. Ok so let me ask you a few questions. 1. How intense was your breathing? and what were the weather conditions, dry humid hot etc, Believe it or not, this can cause the symptoms you are experiencing. 2. What did you eat 24 hours before the event, each and everything, pre and during 3. Another option is a bug, there is a stomach virus flying around the country according to my doctor colleagues, and they mention burning sensation, and or cramps. 4. Is this the first time it has happened or does it happen consistently. all the best m

Ok, shew, are you a scientist by any chance, you really like to get into detail, guess I am the same sort of person. OK so lets start at the top. 1.So yes the testing done , and it basically works like this: Foods with a low GI have a low postprandial blood glucose response and generally also a low postprandial insulin response. It has been demonstrated that the GI of a test meal has a significant effect on the subsequent fuel metabolism both under resting conditions as well as during exercise. Most investigations found that the consumption of a low glycemic meal prior to physical exercise increased fat oxidation during endurance exercise irrespective of relative exercise intensity. Therefore, there is a rational to consider the GI in carbohydrate feeding in athletes since increased fat oxidation could promote endurance stamina and enhance glycogen sparing in liver and muscles. It has been found that the course of blood glucose and insulin levels following ingestion of a low GI meal favoured a higher level of free fatty acids during exercise,enhanced fat oxidation and was associated with an improved blood glucose homeostasis At a predefined intensity, the increase in fat oxidation may lead to a sparing of glycogen in muscles and particularly in the liver leading to enhanced endurance capacity. However, some but not all studies have shown an improved performance following a low GI meal. This may be due to differences in quantity and timing of carbohydrate ingested as well as the type of exercise employed. OK so I have pasted below a test that was performed by our research institute in Germany, to give some more scientific clarification: In a randomized trial we investigated the metabolic effects of a CHO solution containing either Palatinose, a disaccharide with a low glycemic index vs the respective effects of the high glycemic CHO maltodextrin (MD) given both before and during exercise. 21 endurance trained triathletes (37±8 y, 64±4 ml/kg/min VO2max)cycled for 90 min at 70 percent of VO2max followed by an anaerobic Wingate test. In a blinded cross-over design, the athletes consumed 250 ml of the respective CHO (10 percent solution) 30 min before, at the beginning of the exercise protocol and after 45 min. The respiratory exchange ratio (RER) and metabolic parameters such as lactate or glucose levels were determined every 15 min, insulin and free fatty acids were measured every 30 min. The postprandial increase of blood glucose and insulin was lower following Palatinose ingestion than after MD. In contrast, concentrations of free fatty acids (FFA) were higher following Palatinose. Compared to MD, the RER was approximately 10 percent lower with Palatinose throughout the whole exercise period. For the 90 min exercise period this amounts to an increased fat oxidation of approx. 400 kcal. No significant performance difference could be observed in the anaerobic Wingate test (data not shown). Therefore, the consumption of a beverage containing a 10 percent solution of Palatinose both before and during exercise leads to a higher rate of fat oxidation compared to MD. In contrast to the results of Burke et al. obtained with a high GI beverage (18), the ingestion of Palatinose during exercise did not abolish the effects of a pre-exercise CHO ingestion with a low GI. Although the intake of Palatinose was associated with a higher energy provision by fat during the 90 min. endurance protocol, subsequent maximal anaerobic power output was not impaired as demonstrated by the results of the Wingate test. From these results it can be concluded that the ingestion of palatinose both before and during exercise favours lipolysis and fat oxidation most likely due to a small postprandial increase in insulin. Back to Me: So basically what we are seeing is that the maltodextrin really is not providing a benefit over and above that of the isomaltulose, we are actually seeing the performances pretty constant, however you have the fat burn. Also glycogen sparing is evident from the testing carried out, we need to carry out independent testing though to quantify this, but this will then show faster recovery and also the ability to really be able to supply energy through the glyocgen even later on in an event. 2. The FAQ graph I did was not accurate I was merely showing the distinction so it was clearer for someone to see, apologies for the confusion. 3. The Kj difference is confusing, I think mainly because most products have that per 1 hour we are demonstrating per 2 hours, so generally the feeling is 32Gi does not have enough calories, but based on the ability to access fat stores, we feel that this is a different ball game, and just like you are asking questions we are to, as the testing has shown some really interesting results, so we as a company have contracted 2 organizations 1 in the US to assist us with the research and testing and this will be made public I can promise, it just takes time and costs a load of money, but you will get far more thorough answers from me through this. My first test which I have asked for is to verify the amount of glycogen spared in the liver and or muscles and to quantify this in a performance point of view, I think its a really important test and one that will provide some real scientific benefits to the sporting community. 4. Again to stress, the research material we have access to is limited, as the testing conducted by the institutes amounted to millions of dollars, they only release certain but solid facts to us and worry about proof later. We have recieved some more thorough documents from them, but we have a non-disclosure meaning we need to sign anyone into this for receiving any more information. Its like Gartner, if you pay you receive if you dont then you can and are unable to distribute. We have a good relationship with them and believe me I drive them nuts daily to get as much out of them as possible. BUT, we as 32Gi are going to be running testing as mentioned above and this will not be held back. We wont test fat oxidization as this has been done. We are going for glycogen effect first. Bare with me you and some others are a flashing red light on the top of my pc, reminding me of this task daily. 5. 32Gi is "our" magic formula, we have just done something unique with the presentation of the product, which a lot of companies out there have not accomplished. The child friendly aspect is something we pride ourselves on, as well as the no going off for months aspect and the taste. Isomultulose is not readily available for use in energy drink or related products in SA and a few other countries, we tied down the suppliers with this. As mentioned privately if I sold sugar why would I un-sell sugar, the energy companies chose their path and we chose ours, you cant compete with your own brand, we took the route to being in the healthy low GI arena and we finally have a product that releases immediately but slowly, it was not possible before. We have a number of product surprises coming out over the next few months, so stay tuned, sure you will enjoy the ride ;-). I hope this is ok, let me know all the best Mark

Was my thinking ;-), your energy levels were stable by the time you began your race ;-) all the best M

90% of people out there use exercise as an excuse to over indulge ;-), afraid to put more of a damper on your day, BUT its does not work that way, it will negatively impact you. Choose 1 day a week to treat yourself to a little slab of chocolate.......

Mampara thanks for info, how long before the race did u have your breakfast. 32Gi can carry you far, I mentioned to someone yesterday in actual fact that 25grams is the minimum amount required to promote fat store tapping, which can sustain you for a long time. As for the not drinking, dont stress, if you were dehydrated u would have suffered, but better to finish slightly dehydrated than over hydrated. I have had similar experiences did a 28km run, on a piece of oat breat, diabetic jam and 1/2 serving of 32Gi, took no water bottle at all for the run and was fine throughout. Its funny you mention that, as I was chatting to an elite athlete ultra distance runner guy who does 160km runs, and is a running coach, he mentioned to me that when he was training overseas their coaches used to make them run for hours and hours on only half a bottle of water, in order to train the body to become more efficient. It sounds harsh, but if you look at these ethiopian and kenyan runners they go forever on dry land, makes us wonder if we are a little overly worried, I guess the body can handle a lot, and we just need to identify what their limits are. later m

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