carbon29er, on 13 June 2013 - 02:50 , said: You're all over the place with the facts on this. You 1st state the PPA increased their fees and didn't pay it over to CSA, then The Argus charged the fee. Which is it? i pay my Argus entry and PPA subs together. What fee must be paid to CSA? R 75 per cyclists on your books for Recreation/CYCLOSPORT license. Why collect this as the cyclist have to pay directly to CSA and apply direct with CSA. What is the interest implication of collecting R 75 @cyclist for 20 000 cyclists? Factually this is the situation: Since the 2004 Constitution was adopted , tppa was trying to receive preferential treatment and wanted to dictate to CSA he PPA has paid the following amounts to CSA, for which it has received little or no benefit: 1. Initially, when CSA did not have any funds, PPA undertook and paid for the salary of CSA’s employees for a period of two years. The amount paid to CSA in this regard totalled R551 000; Great , and i commend them on that. Was there any benefits for PPA. 2. Calendar fees of R43 115; like every other promotor of cycles events but why didn't they pay before 2004? For how many races? 3. Membership levies of R2 128 087; see above For how many races at R 6 @ rider. How many races by PPA a year over how many years? 4. PPA has collected and paid to CSA day license fees of R66 416.see above @ R35 it is only 1900 odd day licenses over what period and how many races per year. See the newspaper says the bulk of the 35 000 Argus riders have to pay day licenses. How many races per year times how many riders? Sounds like a drop in the BUCKET. If the CSA constitution is upheld then: (a) “none of [PPA's] events will be able to take place as they will not have Provincial or National approval” (paragraph 3.12 e); and ( B) “effectively this means that the Cape Argus Cycle Tour will not take place without the approval and sanction of Western Cape and Cycling SA.” (paragraph 3.5) if they are within the csa structures it will be approved!!! Correctly pay your dues like anybody else. Present the race correctly and address issues like the ladies bunch every year. Do not support dopers. This year PPA took away lances 10th position but yet the winner served time for doping and the guy interviewing him on National Tv the same. How now? Dopers on pedestals? Eish. You have a beef with PPA, don't use it to hide the facts that PPA does a huge amount for all types of cyclists, CSA brief is to look after racers and elite cyclists and win medals. take the time to read all of my replies Wrong CSA's brief is to look after all cycling in this country even the little race around the church. PPA is a business and it is about the money. Of course they cry about their charity work. Ok so they are using cycling as a vehicle to generate funds for charity. But yet they do not want to pay all their dues. How much does the staff and owners and all the partners and the entry company and the timing company get. Is this correct. The court action is simply to protect PPA position to continue to exercise its autonomy (no autonomy they are a business asking CSA to present RACES AGAINST A SET SeT OF RULES AND FEES. PPA has no mandate from government regarding cycling. CSA is the mandated body. Try and host a rugby tournament at Newlands without consulting or paying WP an RugbySA their dues) over funrides, including timed fun rides, without regard to Western Cape Cycling and CSA. In particular PPA intends to exercise the right granted in clause 11.6.1 “in perpetuity” to “continue to carry on [PPA's] business; set and operate [PPA's] domestic fun ride calendars and generally operate and control all [PPA's] recreation tours; fun rides and league races (after consultation with the Road Commission)Can hardly be legal as the Road Commission is not empowered to make this deal. Why is therer a board of CSA?. but the Road Commission is a CSA structure. you can't have it both ways Nothing more. Nothing less. Wrong CSA with its affiliates is mandated to control and run cycling in South Africa as mandated by Government. If the Argus is stopped who stands to loose the most? CSA? I do not think so. PPA stays a business with a monopoly they are protecting. Look at all the things they have? Qualifying races for the Argus etc, etc, What is PPA's turnover per year compared to CSA.