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How did it "hover" on the water then?

Not at all, I am at work and used to trust that I can open this here and all of a sudden This has not been a "NSFW" thread

For sure they can and should.....and if I knew those riders they would get a chirp from me. What is this 1.5m they keep talking about....it is 1m.

Yes my perception is ALL motorist want to kill me and they think I belong on the pavement

I did not ask you to respond. You are a name caller and hence I don't care what you think. Try your best buddy you will achieve nothing. Got to go irritate some motorist.

Old enough to know you are fighting a loosing battle. Nothing will improve ever...as long as the real cause is not addressed.... That is the real world. I am done with this. You lot keep on fighting amongst each other, with each other and see what you achieve. Motorist will not change and cyclist will not change and the biggest bicycle/road user ( the commuter without a helmet) will not change.... But good luck. I am a realist.

Yes and this attitude is what 98% non cycling motorist have.

And how are you gonna get taxis to do that? Anyway good luck with that...

How about we all change together ? Well that will never happen, motorist will NEVER change. This is a 3rd world..

I can give 3x as many examples involving cars so it is not just cyclist. It is all road users

Then they will move to another easy target like parking fines. Come on think a bit further

Please explain? I am only asking if it should not be reinvestigated? After all most non recreational riders already do it Please explain why it should not work without name calling but just a discussion

Like I just said above at least you can see the idiots. Maybe it is not such a good law and should be changed.

That is nonsense. The goverment states that we have the same rights and the goverment decided that cyclist do not need to pay a license fee. Plus all those cyclist have all car and have paid a license fee they are just using another vehicle which is except from a license fee so the motorbikes are talking nonsense.

The motorist will tell you that anyway. Do you know how many cars passed me while their wheels are on the yellow line? Accept you live in a lawless country and motorist will not change. The authorities will not police safety but rather target the easy targets. This brings me to another point if I am riding on the right side of the road I only see the cars are close to me when they pass me, if I had to face them surely I would see them riding on the yellow line or in it long on advance.

Have you ever reported any road user? I have and nothing happens to that person. Look for the route cause if the problem.

Well done (once you have fitted it) you are legal and have all right to shout out "that's the law" Now to convince others to do the same. Maybe even convince some wrong side of the road riders to get brakes?

Even if all cyclist behaved 100% for a year there would be no change in the behavior of motorist. They will still drive like idiots.

Do you have reflectors and a bell on your bike? If not you are...

I hope that everyone here who is saying " it the law" has a front and rear reflector on their bike and a BELL. If not you are breaking the law!

TNT please go read the AARTO rules see what is legal and what not. Highway is not mentioned. What do you see as a highway ? If is is every dual cartridge way then you are wrong. On certain section of a N road is classified as a Freeway. And road can be a freeway even a R road. The R27 in CPT is a dual cartridge way but NOT a freeway. Actually forget it, keep saying no to everything it is easier to live uninformed in a bubble I am out if here

Good guideline but not always correct.

Who you referring to?

And it is legal to ride there. I found that interesting almost shocked when I first heard that. I was also under the impression that a median meant highway or freeway and thus you can ride on it but I was clearly wrong. I called various traffic departments and looked at the AAARTO website and the law states that cyclist may not ride on a FREEWAY. So technically if it does not say it is a freeway then you can ride on it BUT is it safe? That is another story.

So what did I have wrong? Cyclist are not allowed on a freeway? The N1 is NOT a freeway until the sign. Believe me I investigated this VERY well. You saying the same ad me. Not only N roads are freeway ANY road can be a freeway and then you can not ride on it. But a road is NOT automatically a freeway because it has a median, it is only a freeway when stated so by those boards saying FREEWAY BEGINS.