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Odinson

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  1. Tofu can be a hit and miss. No doubt about that. It's like most foods, it takes some practice to get it right, but once you do... You should try tempeh. Also so good.
  2. https://youtu.be/leSQt1NeCok
  3. Round and round we go... Veganism, to me and most folks, is not about absolutism. For the third time: “A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.” No person in a modern society can live an impact free life. On the topic of "vegan food". It's like sex, if you're not enjoying it, you're not doing it right. Breakfast in Tel Aviv: Soft-serve in Silver Lakes, CA Burgers in NY Home made veggie bake Pizza in Santa Margherita Ligure Granted, I eat whole food 95% of the time at home, so very little 'junk food'. However, when it's travelling time, it's I do my fair bit of sampling.
  4. Have a good weekend, all! Try a plant-based meal!
  5. Your perspective might change once you realise that "the vegan lifestyle" doesn't mandate the eating of x amount of avos. Veganism isn't predicated on how many avos you eat. You don't have to eat any, if you so wish. It's interesting how many meat eaters feign concern for the 'environmental atom bomb' that avos are, but haven't sworn off avos themselves. Show me evidence that a vegan diet incl. avo has a larger net carbon footprint than a animal based diet, with or without avo, and I'll happily swear off avos. Happy reading.
  6. Don't get me wrong. I'm not some anti-capitalist. If I were, I definitely wouldn't be doing the work I am. Edit: Paddaman, you're quite the history/philosophy buff. What's your take on the viability of humanism and liberalism in the 21st century?
  7. 100%, but also at great cost. For most of developed human history, most people lived as paupers. Human prosperity, depending on what metric you use, is higher than it has ever been. A good question was asked by Yuval Harari. Despite all of this prosperity and all that we collectively have at our disposal (healthcare, education, food, etc.) are we truly happier, on average, than hunter-gatherers?
  8. I'm not disputing that. There's plenty of *** jobs out there, done by the people that have no other option. However, it's difficult for me to avoid technology, in protest against the working conditions of some miners of rare minerals. It's much easier to not support animal agriculture and at least make some little effort in that regard. Imagine your clothes were labelled "certified sweat shop". Would you still buy it in good conscience? Especially if you had readily available alternatives. Capitalism has made a very imperfect system, where we collectively exploit humans and non-humans alike. To me, it's all about deciding what you want to support, as far as reasonable and practicable.
  9. You buried oupa in a corn field?
  10. I'm really curious as to people's opinions on the well-being of abattoir employees. Do you just accept it as the way it is, a necessary evil? Or is the research also just vegan fake news propaganda?
  11. By that logic, we should be eating our dead too. "Kom, kinders! Ons eet ouma tjoppies vanaand!". Would be a much better use of resources.
  12. Jy ken my sleg.
  13. Patch, you have very elaborate ways of putting forth classic arguments. Supply and demand. Less people eating meat equals less breeding. If the world went vegan tonight, we'll have to deal with all the cows and other livestock, but there's a better chance of Zuma paying back the money than that happening.
  14. I'll PM you my email address. Then we can set this up.
  15. Would I eat the egg? No. It's a cholesterol bomb that came out of the bird's ass. Would I eat the hen's body? No. In the same way that I don't eat my pet if I had to put them down or scrape them off the road if they get run over, I wouldn't eat Pekkles. Would you think someone is well balanced if they told you that their 20yr old Ridgeback died the previous week and then they threw him/her on the spit that weekend?
  16. Escapee, I'm not trolling when I write this. If you can get me a pass into one of the abbatoirs that apply these measures, I'd organise you a case of the best Belgian brew. I'll be in SA in March/April next year.
  17. Okay. So, you never eat out, never eat on the road, never travel? Because if you do, your argument is fallacious. Tell me, do you drive to the farms and abattoirs where your butcher's meat comes from?
  18. Okay, let's discuss Pekkles. I can't set that periphery for anyone. There is no guidelines or rule books. My personal opinion is that if you inherited/adopted some hen, care for it, ensure proper veterinary care and allow it to live out its natural life and she lays eggs which would otherwise just spoil, then go for it. Other people might disagree with me and that's just the way it is.
  19. Also, even if SA had the strictest slaughterhouses and no animal suffers any trauma, the meat you are eating is not necessarily South African. 26% of all poultry in SA was imported, SA also imports beef and a host of other meat products from other countries. Hell, the SA egg market is flooded with Lesotho eggs and the Dept. of Ag. has even now opened the market for US egg imports.
  20. Okay, it's really time consuming to answer to everyone's posts. Regarding the 'humane slaughter' aspect: you cannot maintain the position that you are accepting of humanely slaughtered animals, therefore eat meat/dairy/eggs/etc. if you consume such products but you do not know the supply chain of each product you consume. Secondly, let's take a look at what workers on the kill floor are saying: Slaughtering for a living: A hermeneutic phenomenological perspective on the well-being of slaughterhouse employees What employees say: Edit: if the quality is poor, I'll post a better snip. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4841092/
  21. Gen, do you honestly think that your client would say that he treats his animals poorly or that they are violently killed in an abattoir?
  22. If you want to tell me I'm wrong, then please defend your position.
  23. The thing is, the methods you see are the 'humane' methods. Cows often have to be bolted multiple times by a captive bolt before they actually are stunned. There is a reason why countries such as the UK and USA have criminalized filming inside slaughterhouses. What happens in there is not humane.
  24. There are also technical standards under Meat and Animal Products Act. Keep in mind that what appears on the law books often means little in practice. They need to be enforced by the Dept. of Ag.
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