scotty Posted February 8, 2012 Share I think changing money with the FEDS could be a little bit more tricky.True but this is LA we are talking about. anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp Posted February 8, 2012 Share True but this is LA we are talking about. anything is possible.I think the problem with the FEDS is that they have to have totally 100% irrefutable proof, these things invariably get appealed end up in higher courts and such and the only way to then close the case is with proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted February 8, 2012 Share I think the problem with the FEDS is that they have to have totally 100% irrefutable proof, these things invariably get appealed end up in higher courts and such and the only way to then close the case is with proof. Â Ah so WADA do not need 100% proof. Based on probabilities and here say they can find guilty (e.g NO one can ride TDF day in day out clean. Although not tested as per laid down procedure and possibly tainted the 99 test is admissible. The many that claim to have heard/ seen/ or indulged in doping regards LA is admissible (why would they lie??). Links to DR dope is proof that he doped. The riders that rode with LA and have been caught is proof he was aware and even partook in doping himself). Riders that testified they never saw him are avoiding the truth. Riders that testified he did not dope are outright lying. Official bodies that cleared him are lying. Â Yay for WADA, the truth shall be revealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davem Posted February 8, 2012 Share To totally throw the cat among the pigeons, do you even need to dope to win the Tour de France? Yes, your team will need to. The winner only rides in real anger for 2 to 3 hours in the race, the rest of the time, he gets pulled along. LA was the master of strategy and intelligent riding. I believe that it is possible. Maybe even, he pretended to dope to get his team buy in so they would do it for him. I can believe he would be clever/devious enough to do that.  The facts stand, that he never tested positive. The only evidence is a hearsay from bunch of guys already caught doping after also lying about it repeatedly (somewhat lacking is their own integrity already). This theory is the only one that fits the evidence and is reasonably credible in my opinion. Ironically, that could make him guilty of the US Federal charges of misusing public money, but not guilty of doping. I find it difficult to believe that every single person is on the take from one athlete, he does not have that much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp Posted February 8, 2012 Share Ah so WADA do not need 100% proof. Based on probabilities and here say they can find guilty (e.g NO one can ride TDF day in day out clean. Although not tested as per laid down procedure and possibly tainted the 99 test is admissible. The many that claim to have heard/ seen/ or indulged in doping regards LA is admissible (why would they lie??). Links to DR dope is proof that he doped. The riders that rode with LA and have been caught is proof he was aware and even partook in doping himself). Riders that testified they never saw him are avoiding the truth. Riders that testified he did not dope are outright lying. Official bodies that cleared him are lying. Yay for WADA, the truth shall be revealed I could be mistaken, but WADA don't need to prove guilt, the athlete needs to prove that he did not ingest whatever it is by himself.That is where our friend Contador lost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted February 8, 2012 Share I could be mistaken, but WADA don't need to prove guilt, the athlete needs to prove that he did not ingest whatever it is by himself.That is where our friend Contador lost it.More incentive for LA to open his cheque book and use some more of his ill gotten gains (Livewrong) and hire more lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Luke. Posted February 8, 2012 Share To totally throw the cat among the pigeons, do you even need to dope to win the Tour de France? Yes, your team will need to. The winner only rides in real anger for 2 to 3 hours in the race, the rest of the time, he gets pulled along. LA was the master of strategy and intelligent riding. I believe that it is possible. Maybe even, he pretended to dope to get his team buy in so they would do it for him. I can believe he would be clever/devious enough to do that. The facts stand, that he never tested positive. The only evidence is a hearsay from bunch of guys already caught doping after also lying about it repeatedly (somewhat lacking is their own integrity already). This theory is the only one that fits the evidence and is reasonably credible in my opinion. Ironically, that could make him guilty of the US Federal charges of misusing public money, but not guilty of doping. I find it difficult to believe that every single person is on the take from one athlete, he does not have that much money. Motivation for forum drug testing? Not sure you'd pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 8, 2012 Share I think the problem with the FEDS is that they have to have totally 100% irrefutable proof, these things invariably get appealed end up in higher courts and such and the only way to then close the case is with proof. The problem with the feds investigation into Lance, is that it wasn't about doping. It was misappropriation of government money. I think the reason that WADA and USADA are so keen to get the feds' evidence, is that the feds did prove doping had taken place, but they couldn't prove that Lance used USPS money to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted February 8, 2012 Share Motivation for forum drug testing? Not sure you'd pass. Neither would I… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted February 8, 2012 Share The problem with the feds investigation into Lance, is that it wasn't about doping. It was misappropriation of government money. I think the reason that WADA and USADA are so keen to get the feds' evidence, is that the feds did prove doping had taken place, but they couldn't prove that Lance used USPS money to pay for it. Also, officials from both WADA, the USADA, and other anti-doping agencies have said that some of the statements made by people like Tyler and Floyd have given them insights on how riders managed to avoid testing positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 8, 2012 Share The facts stand, that he never tested positive. The only evidence of a positive test for LA is in a lab in france.Also, to your first point, you do not win a Grand Tour on 32Gi, Futurelife and Asker Jukendrups concoction. You are terribly naive to believe that you can. Edited February 8, 2012 by TNT1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Also, officials from both WADA, the USADA, and other anti-doping agencies have said that some of the statements made by people like Tyler and Floyd have given them insights on how riders managed to avoid testing positive. Precisely. And they have already handed down bans based on that sort of evidence, without needing a positive test. Lance is nowhere near off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp Posted February 8, 2012 Share More incentive for LA to open his cheque book and use some more of his ill gotten gains (Livewrong) and hire more lawyers.But this is where the corruption begins, the system is flawed, he is guilty till he proves himself innocent and not innocent till proven guilty.With that type of judicial system ,corruption and bribes are sure to take precedence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted February 8, 2012 Share WADA/USADA need to do a thorough job now, the LA Trolls or LA Disciples await Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 8, 2012 Share WADA/USADA need to do a thorough job now, the LA Trolls or LA Disciples await  Yeah. A final and conclusive answer would be great. That's not actually going to happen, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp Posted February 8, 2012 Share WADA/USADA need to do a thorough job now, the LA Trolls or LA Disciples await My guess is that one of two scenarios will take place. Armstrong attorneys : Scen. A: "What will it cost to make this go away ?" Scen.B."We suggest you stop this manhunt or else you could be facing legal implications for defamation of character and other damages" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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