Tour de France 2012

[Spark]

He did not even try pull his weight in the break, forced people out of the line to stay on the wheel....and did his Jabba the Hut impersonation. He did get all the points, but cannot be called a sportsman....

He was riding for Polka Dot.. Actually he was wearing it. Did you see yellow pacing the guys attacking him. C'mon? I think he just secured the jersey .

[TiBones]

I just don't get it.

 

Was Wiggins willing Froome on for the stage win? Did the team order him back? Or was that Froome's choice as a loyal lieutenant? I do get the argument that the payback for that will be great in the long term, but wouldn't a stage win for Froome to put on his palmares be a great sweetener. And who believes Wiggins saying he would help Froome in a yellow jersey bid in 2013?

 

Some quotes from Froome. Humble.

 

"I think we've done a pretty good job until now, so hopefully we'll take it all the way.

"We wanted the yellow jersey on a Team Sky rider's back, and we've got that so we've done exactly what we've wanted.

"I've been watching the Tour since I was a teenager, just to be here and be in this position is already dream come true.

"To be on the podium, would be unbelievable for me."

 

@robbiehunter (paraphrase) Seems there are two "I"'s in Wiggins and none in Froome

[Tumbleweed]

@robbiehunter (paraphrase) Seems there are two "I"'s in Wiggins and none in Froome

 

You see, I still don't know about that. It seemed at one point like Wiggins - realising that his jersey wasn't in danger - was gesturing for Froome to go. Which he did more than once then sat up. There was one point just after a surge where Froome could be seen talking on the radio. So I don't think the call to rein him in came from Wiggins.

[TiBones]

Ja, agree! I think Froomie is doing what he is payed to do, doing it well and building up a whole lotta respect from Owners/riders/DS's. I did see Wiggo urging him on and I would like to believe that it was his (CF's) own decision, based on his integrity, that kept him with Biggins

[Tumbleweed]

Ja, agree! I think Froomie is doing what he is payed to do, doing it well and building up a whole lotta respect from Owners/riders/DS's. I did see Wiggo urging him on and I would like to believe that it was his (CF's) own decision, based on his integrity, that kept him with Biggins

 

"Chris said he wanted to go for the stage and I said yes. We weren't too sure of the time gaps," said Wiggins.

 

http://www.france24.com/en/20120719-wiggins-remains-tour-de-france-leader-valverde-takes-17th-stage-froome-cycling

 

Let's blame Yates.

[scotty]

You see, I still don't know about that. It seemed at one point like Wiggins - realising that his jersey wasn't in danger - was gesturing for Froome to go. Which he did more than once then sat up. There was one point just after a surge where Froome could be seen talking on the radio. So I don't think the call to rein him in came from Wiggins.

That's how i saw it as well.

[Wyatt Earp]

Reading some of these comments here I have to wonder where people get their brains from.

 

We will never again see riders have an 8 minute gap and taking another 8 minutes on a climb.

Nowadays they are all, (almost) equally good and strong.

 

The sport has gone from a 'strongest rider will win' to a team sport.

 

Froome as an example got his contract with Sky after Barloworld and signed again not long after Vuelta.

 

A rider with his ability needs the best team in the world behind him, that is Sky at the moment.

When he re-signed after Vuelta he went from being a number in the team to a name, already a promotion.

 

He was included in Le Tour (bonus) "Thanks guys I will take that"

Sky - "Great but be fully aware you will be riding for Wiggins"

'No problem, I need the experience '

 

On the flip side, let's say Froome could ride his own race and do as he pleases, I can assure you all that as an individual it would become a much harder task.

 

So all those wetting their nappies at the fact that it's all so unfair that he won't be given a chance to win, just take a chill pill, sit back and enjoy the tour, if it's his destiny to win it, he will.

 

Even Evans got lucky with his date with destiny.

 

And somewhere on the slopes I imagine a youngster whom some call Jambo sitting very happy and smiling at what he has achieved, I reckon he might even be content with himself.

 

*Edit *

 

Sky are in the most perfect position ever, if Wiggins crashes out they still get a win.

That looks like a win-win situation and I reckon much more than they or any other team wished for.

Edited July 20, 2012 by Dangle

[Christie]

Imo Froome still has a shot. If he was not on the limit on all the climbs, it means he has more in reserve for the TT. Lets hope he takes 2 min out of Wigins on Saterday - unless the will tell him to slow down if that happens.

[Heckflosse]

 

All the teams have certain goals during the tour.

Sky's is to get wiggins to paris in yellow

Totally agree on that one.

[canfan]

This tour missed Contador and Andy. Say what you want about Andy, but atleast he tries to attack. Evans and Nibali just hasnt been in the same league as Froome and Wiggins. Next years tour could be the most exciting one ever! Froome vs Contador vs Andy. I Don't think Wiggins will be able to beat Contador and Andy in the mountains next year, so Sky will have to let Froome go for it.

[bradwentzel]

This tour missed Contador and Andy. Say what you want about Andy, but atleast he tries to attack. Evans and Nibali just hasnt been in the same league as Froome and Wiggins. Next years tour could be the most exciting one ever! Froome vs Contador vs Andy. I Don't think Wiggins will be able to beat Contador and Andy in the mountains next year, so Sky will have to let Froome go for it.

 

+1

[T-Bob]

Froome vs Contador vs Andy. I Don't think Wiggins will be able to beat Contador and Andy in the mountains next year, so Sky will have to let Froome go for it.

 

If they drop a good Mtn route next year then that will be something to watch! D'huez has to be in it, in fact like the finish in Paris that stage must always be in the race.

['Dale]

Froome Dog checking on Wiggo in the final few kms of yesterday's summit finish.

 

Love those cray-zee fans!

 

http://cyclingtipscontent.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Tour-de-France-2012-stage17-4.jpg

[Spark]

Reading some of these comments here I have to wonder where people get their brains from. We will never again see riders have an 8 minute gap and taking another 8 minutes on a climb. Nowadays they are all, (almost) equally good and strong. The sport has gone from a 'strongest rider will win' to a team sport. Froome as an example got his contract with Sky after Barloworld and signed again not long after Vuelta. A rider with his ability needs the best team in the world behind him, that is Sky at the moment. When he re-signed after Vuelta he went from being a number in the team to a name, already a promotion. He was included in Le Tour (bonus) "Thanks guys I will take that" Sky - "Great but be fully aware you will be riding for Wiggins" 'No problem, I need the experience ' On the flip side, let's say Froome could ride his own race and do as he pleases, I can assure you all that as an individual it would become a much harder task. So all those wetting their nappies at the fact that it's all so unfair that he won't be given a chance to win, just take a chill pill, sit back and enjoy the tour, if it's his destiny to win it, he will. Even Evans got lucky with his date with destiny. And somewhere on the slopes I imagine a youngster whom some call Jambo sitting very happy and smiling at what he has achieved, I reckon he might even be content with himself. *Edit * Sky are in the most perfect position ever, if Wiggins crashes out they still get a win. That looks like a win-win situation and I reckon much more than they or any other team wished for.

Agree with you, but with 3 or 4 HC mountain finishes, climbers like AC , Andy and maybe Froome will ride 8 minutes or more into Wiggins. They have done it before.

['Dale]

Couldn't agree more. Pinot and van Garderen have bright futures.

 

It was good to see those young riders up there in the mix.

Bright future, indeed!

[slabs]

Some very valid points from the Inner Ring cycling blog. For all the comments on this years tour this one is about the realities and why you cannot blame Sky for being more professional than the other outfits. They know the history and have planned accordingly.

 

Like the comment of reducing the size of the teams...

 

Christian Prudhomme is an optimist, a romantic and a dreamer. When the Tour de France route was unveiled last October the message from the race organiser was a race where the long time trials and a shortage of climbing would incite the climbers into daring raids, offering Alpine theatre and Pyrenean panache. Only this year’s vintage has not met those expectations, the climbers were neutralised and the most daring raid was came on the rest day when the gendarmes swooped on Rémy di Gregorio.

 

Much of this is not Prudhomme’s fault. The crash on Stage 6 took out plenty of riders and many of the survivors soldiered on with injuries. And any remaining hopes died when Team Sky put their train to work, asphyxiating the others with a high pace that prevents attacks, it is impressive work but it reduces the contest.

Still, was it realistic to expect riders to make up for lost time by going on a big attack? I don’t think so. Today we saw Alejandro Valverde win the stage. But he was so far down overall that he could get away. The idea of actual contenders battling for the yellow jersey with risky raids is always unlikely. Let’s look at three reasons why this was over-optimistic:

• Historical precedent: can you remember the last time riders threw caution to the wind and took off on daring long range moves? It’s very rare. Last year we saw Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador try but it was so surprising because it’s rare; it worked for Schleck but failed for Contador. Before this perhaps we have to go back to 2006 and Floyd Landis’s manly Morzine mania. Over the years such bravery is very rare, to this day many still celebrate Hugo Koblet’s exploits from 1951 on the roads from Brive to Agen.
  
• Risk: as mentioned on here before, an attack is risky. If it works in the mountains you could gain time but if it fails you will lose. Riders are not wild risk-takers and the system of UCI points rewards those able to secure consistent overall finishes ahead of the stage winners. We might want to see riders try big moves but the system means they are paid to do the opposite. For all the debate and hot air generated over race radios, the most sanitising effect on races is the UCI points system where generous rewards go to riders who might be invisible to the TV cameras during the race.
  
• Tactics: even if Sky were not in the race, if a rider takes off up the road then they would soon find other teams chasing and a thin climber can rarely take much time back, their advantage is rapier-like attacks. Even if they could get away, our imaginary climber has to cope with descents, valley roads and more, terrain where they lose to the rouleurs.
  

In short, long range attacks have been rare in history, riders are not incentivised to try them and even if they gave it a go they might find the time triallists would eventually reel them back.

 

What about next year?

Can things be changed to make the race for the yellow jersey a bit more exciting?

• You could have a harder first week where the yellow jersey is more likely to change but there’s a balance here, too hard and you begin to see the overall classification take shape. Big climbs are exciting but once we establish a rider’s power/weight ratio we establish the overall rankings too.
  
• A more radical idea is to reduce the team size from nine riders to seven or even six riders. This means a squad has less manpower to control the race and the second order effect is that you could invite more squads to the race which would make things a lot more random. It’s not a wild idea, Prudhomme likes the idea but speaking to La Dépêche du Midi he explained it would not be easy:
  

“It would be a genuine solution, but I’ve got to remind you that we’re not in charge here, and I could remind you of the general panic that followed a proposal to bring down teams of nine riders to eight riders in the grand tours. So let’s not even think of six.

“

Team managers work hard to build a team and having a big squad of 30 riders but only taking six would frustrate many. It would also dilute the power of the existing, incumbent teams so let’s not expect these turkeys to vote for festive celebrations.

No script

But perhaps it’s time to be recognise that the race organisers can’t offer guarantees, they cannot make things happen. Maybe we – fans and race organisers alike – need to abandon the pretence that a race director is a film director who prepares the scenes, chooses camera angles and even supplies a script. Yes, the race organisers can design different types of races but there are limits.

Conclusion

Crashes took out some riders, Team Sky have been too strong. If the 2012 is not a vintage year for yellow jersey excitement, perhaps this likely to be the case given the route but misfortune made things even less of a contest? Ultimately the race comes down to the riders and perhaps no amount of extra climbs, narrow roads or otherwise can guarantee excitement. A move to reduce the size of teams could make the race exciting but many existing team owners would reject this.

If Prudhomme is an optimist, good for him. To borrow a French phrase, he “sins by optimism”, and if dreaming is his biggest fault things could be worse. Is he naive? I don’t think so and promises of excitement and bold attacks are what is required from him, every race organiser since Desgrange has tried to boost the race beyond reality. Indeed his work to reshape the race is making things more exciting. He is also a businessman but as race director, let’s not assume he’s omnipotent. Maybe it’s our fault for wanting the biggest race of the year to always be the best?